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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.1
From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker")

On 28.06.2021 at 16:25, Nikita Popov wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 1:04 AM Rowan Tommins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/06/2021 22:16, Derick Rethans wrote:
>>> strftime is infected by thread unsafe locales, which is plenty of reas=
on
>> to deprecate it, with additional pro reasons for doing so being its
>> disparate functionality among different os-es and libc's.
>>>
>>> Deprecation also doesn't mean removal, which won't happen until PHP 9,
>> giving developers plenty of time to move to a saner threadsafe locale A=
PI
>> based on intl/icu.
>>
>>
>> I think you're probably right, but I think in general deprecations
>> should be accompanied by much stronger migration instructions than
>> "there's a class over here that probably does what you want if you kick
>> it a bit".
>>
>> Like everything in ext/intl, IntlDateFormatter is rather complex, and
>> the manual relies heavily on links to the ICU documentation, some of
>> which are 404s. If you're saying my 276 uses of strftime() are "wrong",
>> it would be nice to have a clear message of what is "right", and what I
>> should do to "fix" them.
>>
>
> Yeah, I definitely see the concern here. In my corpus, most uses of
> strftime() are actually locale-independent and can be easily replaced by
> DateTime::format(). I guess these are only being used because calling
> strftime() is slightly more compact than calling DateTime::format(), whi=
ch
> requires creating a DateTime object first. A small handful use a locale
> sensitive format, which would require IntlDateFormatter and its more
> complex API.

You could just call date(). :)

> I believe the equivalent for %B would be something like this:
> https://3v4l.org/1pNDi

I think that would be %b.  For %B you have to use "MMMM".

> It doesn't help that the IntlDateFormatter API is
> un-great and doesn't allow you to directly create a formatter for a patt=
ern
> without passing a number of irrelevant arguments.

ACK.

> Regards,
> Nikita
>
> PS: I found this scary comment in the strftime() docs:
> https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php#104043

48 upvotes.  d'oh

Christoph