Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114827 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1160 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2021 09:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2021 09:32:28 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F77180502 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-vs1-f42.google.com (mail-vs1-f42.google.com [209.85.217.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f42.google.com with SMTP id l25so3421214vsb.9 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:47:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=F6sJcnq73xkymovjWyttP08VI4LIWUpk/0vvYWgXQVo=; b=RDFMw7FRAVysjK/QXssiJyEpN526uq42npSYTSzshZDtNQHXSHzKhNrS7XDmIx3x4v NWj7mLFRDQkw8zD3SuntblJGiKxbOa3kZLa8P2NAMcsdi62zzztsE77Jved0LB6+PVsm fUgtM2WscSCoUGwOHhp4aQF7tOqKcennl//g2xRYk2SzOmX/cBg4LrNqdPZXkHwMZ8W6 eped95lhGyw84sVbl+0/4TV3g/OcVr20jliA0t4PJDXRIyejDUfOyOEJFm854AxgGtKn IRBBsvbtG63xBMtlan9HR8rlWASidFQwTWIXRgN5A4N5wai5gS7+CX0rq5uSfHTHFTwJ 40Cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F6sJcnq73xkymovjWyttP08VI4LIWUpk/0vvYWgXQVo=; b=CqyCnw6u768NNPnfCwv1H8eVkjCvLoYDSqwKgQPGZqMLKMaOVRRNcs4eiLDwz5+vA3 DE7+yEIVp46k9WZffI3GAPVlupTTgLW88dozMmF2+Bpd76LwYrr/lYuidROV9Tq7Ll7U 0mpVTt8/1iMTQhTFomQbDGR52HauIPYDzY5YzHqRH0sILln80zdizyQP0Lg3NqGcOobP dEo/zQK8HdPaJSJPtgLTqx2ubb2hwP6ASPF7wPmY9rfqK/pIBMmLQhQ3o0xA970eSzky 1sFTZXxl6969pVL/GaSAxYsf5afhjBtND18erzFdmS/apZfNOBRNc3GOkNygyqdVKlFi ynig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532BnFLQfblpUkaDBfpE/3vMUsd3oJMSwmjHtgMBF5hlM9QbrOgR IW+7UqV8J6TLXsLEzh8my6bwdeze6hxP6uQhnec= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwb47uA1m7oWRMfWV1Rcwdp1v+Sq829iPrZ/GhVhGfSH63CGXF7HfL6PSBK5iWhMB6r7mJNaYa+ahEDaYknJFo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:2008:: with SMTP id p8mr8700568vsr.53.1623404873467; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:47:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:47:42 +0300 Message-ID: To: Claude Pache Cc: Kamil Tekiela , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cf4bc205c47a6668" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Deprecate autovivification on false From: dmitrystogov@gmail.com (Dmitry Stogov) --000000000000cf4bc205c47a6668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:19 PM Claude Pache wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't care about disabling autovivification on false, but I vote > "No", > > because I'm against the deprecation. > > > Do you mean, you wouldn=E2=80=99t care if it went directly from =E2=80=9C= working without > notice=E2=80=9D in PHP 8.0 to =E2=80=9Cfatal error=E2=80=9D in PHP 8.1? T= hat would be extremely > hostile for large code bases in their upgrading process, as it is in > general not a feature that can be checked and corrected statically. > The RFC doesn't provide implementation, and I see that the implementation of this deprecation may be not as simple as expected. Thanks. Dmitry. > =E2=80=94Claude --000000000000cf4bc205c47a6668--