Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114826 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97964 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2021 09:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2021 09:04:34 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB751180537 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ej1-f54.google.com (mail-ej1-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f54.google.com with SMTP id a11so3565209ejf.3 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=MSoa4GxSDZ4UHQuN3f60t3en8dTvVnpPrIxAFw0oHVg=; b=SH7rUo33dp9RhYNXt0ue0P7WZyA65mNncYdjcYiZGEvOVWkY0E2S/vXA4JwYiu5IeQ YvGnNWjNIUQ/RTVpZSGCiPuZ2P15xcD3yorSn6pO7lmVxRt9Or8Lxi+tMiCZAOBK1Lr6 wYdCHrgBU2ml3IFtEW4kJYZ6OF/mdLmDVM25aiIpbecYaRxfLwPyfmgg7TGd+Quo2LIf YggyA9yt5Twsw1XSN+ym6fqEziSZxmKyVWTCNQ8xyuD8tRLhb0qPLKB/qU4+uCO/Vhy9 JpIVuFOK2PHcky8uSaorgc8imc1XiivA4ZmMOXBqMtNqi6PkZVmEZEOyMvlozv7tgR0B bm0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=MSoa4GxSDZ4UHQuN3f60t3en8dTvVnpPrIxAFw0oHVg=; b=ZNiWM/qpgSnGW9Z8uBe+xxyfSAitEHhfcEePpv3HsjVjQIzsOklty2fnl1+AfBX6CD hrxYQNAD1yQLC/h7Q6o6qTgm+HASdKNgOsjR0R8rtMlEsnI4O76owCGx0RHnCm0ef5uW R2BELxpWfFasLWk981NUsZ6wf/l7o89Ugs+CQkjeD6rdgO9Rku1eWVsUt5O56dc9koHx 5FDsTuVb+esAH4gS173ZDSnP9RjuK6Q5ArSHeyEdXCie76TjINUWFeROFbQ2P7yM/Z2F rDDBSsonO0YYl5lSbUU5sDVV7fK/iPMlxosvVnN/xd1iS2SUymXrNTaMKllGPQbNMaDQ HonA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532irYDGXkgPXCFlYWXmElGsY8dLQkSzB1bLBNhJdF5vKVu6hqJl ZxfEakfoRIvmcyIuRHBf/GwXi1EiXEs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxe01bKbfYaPUUAOprpW5K70mzW7abHo/rpx4Ol4vzO2e+fOewwNDiqBQZzfZMY0GD8/01V4g== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:80cd:: with SMTP id a13mr2785579ejx.421.1623403199246; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from claude.fritz.box ([89.249.45.14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l8sm2370822eds.79.2021.06.11.02.19.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:19:57 +0200 Cc: Kamil Tekiela , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: To: Dmitry Stogov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Deprecate autovivification on false From: claude.pache@gmail.com (Claude Pache) >=20 > I wouldn't care about disabling autovivification on false, but I vote = "No", > because I'm against the deprecation. Do you mean, you wouldn=E2=80=99t care if it went directly from = =E2=80=9Cworking without notice=E2=80=9D in PHP 8.0 to =E2=80=9Cfatal = error=E2=80=9D in PHP 8.1? That would be extremely hostile for large = code bases in their upgrading process, as it is in general not a feature = that can be checked and corrected statically. =E2=80=94Claude=