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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Refactor
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Den man. 7. jun. 2021 kl. 13.52 skrev Mail <wojciechlisik@icloud.com>:
>
> Oh yes; it is;
>
> Mathew from Laminas has also held managerial position in Zend.
> Thats the one who banned me ( on Laminas forum ) when I asked about the comments section refering to Zend in every file.
>
> If you want to cut ties with Zend alltogether,first thing to do is to remove every person that have been involved with Zend. Once done, start afresh.
>
> Pozdrawiam,
> Wojciech Lisik

Well since you kind of figured out the response was not serious, then
I am certain that if you look closer at the code you will find that we
naturally are not using Zend Framework as it is a piece of software
written in PHP but Zend Engine is written in C. One being a framework
for writing websites, the other one being a highly advanced scripting
engine.

I will save you the need to Google what the differences is here by
supplying you with some relevant links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zend_Engine
https://www.zend.com/about

So to iterate and reply to your email in a serious manner; No, we have
no intention to refactor out the Zend Engine. It has been maintained
by The PHP Project for two decades and while it was originally
developed by Zend, it was graciously donated to The PHP Project and
The PHP Project decides the future development of it. In layman terms
that means that Zend has more decision making power over any
individual contributor. It is however true that some companies, like
Zend, does sponsor developers to work part time at The PHP Project but
that does not grant them any special decision making rights -- those
are still subject to the democracy and guidelines as defined by The
PHP Project.

At the same time I would like to point you to the list of mailing list rules:
https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/docs/mailinglist-rules.md

Especially the part about respective behavior and not making a fool of
yourself in public; none of your initial mail was informative nor
respectful to anyone maintaining PHP, which seems to be based on a
wrong understanding to begin with (which is only natural, we are only
humans after all), but do think an extra time before you post a rant
like that in the future, it does not belong on internals. Twitter is a
much better medium for such. I'm certain that exhitibing the same
behavior as defined in our mailing lists rules, will also get you a
long way on other platforms, like the Laminas forum which you
mentioned.

ps, I have CC'd internals, so this reply may serve as a future
reference; should this ever be the case again.

-- 
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net