Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114607 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58818 invoked from network); 26 May 2021 10:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 26 May 2021 10:02:27 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D41804B0 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-oi1-f170.google.com (mail-oi1-f170.google.com [209.85.167.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f170.google.com with SMTP id u11so980308oiv.1 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g96ga3zGW6OC1uSWFHt4+uGR3wjcdboeZ1JbTTJ7Cq0=; b=VpzAdQp7WZyfhjQsiPOzPdtf0Y3/bLeemgkazPUpsARPDHJnjZifGacCeu1RBAxPPD Swp9bUBF3Z9kks7APE+AHfeTmR3egvklYOL6PP0nn0wY48tvZv698KcAyS5bdpcTHOc3 3OQJUgQYYeG/6SCX+AHIqokCd3fLHUefJQC/vrB7T68Swoyt87f09Y54gVaDfvgul/eX sLZj+ey6n5VM/kqf30vVxy5VcEUHgEMF1FLMVlFALLC+8dB2yHs5szGzpTRwnG5xIKaR jA6eevlBrovEKu8ZqFnDyWPn/4GenZ39h6IuORM2rerZtbsQpLd6U6iQEkHN6Rb0Kwun f76A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530kWtaVaZcuGqpQU16wb63S+eZMd5Q2paEhLe23dZZXGlB/vRXv 1o98aQjy6k1NWyIxLEKDwUIs97+x6kOREw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxg+/972DdpANFdqaIvhp1w1KABJ9LzQ+nEYJ6jBdPZzQOFtOgdZ8Y4UpF54e8VmZuJY+yMBw== X-Received: by 2002:aca:342:: with SMTP id 63mr1252090oid.151.1622024033640; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com. [209.85.167.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 67sm4272695otp.68.2021.05.26.03.13.53 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id y76so965751oia.6 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:f90:: with SMTP id o16mr1236313oiw.163.1622024033044; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:13:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 12:13:42 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004e8d5405c338e65a" Subject: Consensus Gathering: is_initialized From: krakjoe@php.net (Joe Watkins) --0000000000004e8d5405c338e65a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi internals, In response to: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=78480 I implemented: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/7029 Not absolutely convinced that it's a good idea, I asked Nikita to review, and he's unconvinced also and suggested a discussion should be started. You can read both of our thoughts about it on the PR. What I'm looking for now, is reasons that we are wrong - good use cases that aren't born from code that is doing bad things ... Equally if you think this is really bad even if the reason has already been mentioned, please make noise. Cheers Joe --0000000000004e8d5405c338e65a--