Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114365 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 93894 invoked from network); 11 May 2021 07:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 11 May 2021 07:04:06 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C4B1804CC for ; Tue, 11 May 2021 00:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-il1-f179.google.com (mail-il1-f179.google.com [209.85.166.179]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 11 May 2021 00:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-f179.google.com with SMTP id p15so16334634iln.3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2021 00:11:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8hhPrIcedSRbFvCF3T5kD05FHlN1osV6ZSKKgKNh5/A=; b=R87OOMrpbo8VqiDDgFXeapXAWTwm/JOwT7OkpCanbOtLhF/BZXaGEQNVpbRMCfiMc2 KAP6icwQy5/SQM+pFND1DInNFyQF8UvGcGtaOl3tEwPmG/Z6gpVolANhoi3iDmZe+/e/ Y2EHccetBQFU8ofPMterv9v++lXYi/CQ9dhztFVprvFPzihS+zrMXD2J+qQ22QLWzm0K tDbLJ84wZptRLcyRrZjfe07K0s+vUe7B7/V59mcxpkUqq7ReZP0f7QDdZFeB36sPLfDG 1oUbUq2A4XqKT/B0a9KV7BC/v1Z1UYxk/RQhyblzAMVzQCKp9GgI+RG7jZL9j36LkUXO c93A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8hhPrIcedSRbFvCF3T5kD05FHlN1osV6ZSKKgKNh5/A=; b=F/DdKmplUWWYIZduKpzoeMPPsM5r8UJu4gTHn+SjZrrBaF4CFVnERyTCvxKJzFguUl jEdvTfi5O9rkXtBf4xlNNj86/TL2UVsLKk7Nahsx3zMEgYjry+tfwY4G5UP4NcAsdkCQ Nda3zP4TVnVWUuWtzCbg/8zPtL4C7ls0ywmByQ1CoqNN1FMAJO4bNLGcL4br6hdqJbTq +7FNftQBMPmlZA43FW4LfedcM06RwtF19DccOxYlasuax7jNGFvZsWCaxIou/ulo8uBZ UMGXv64P7LqAZ4Srhu4AnYh+YWL0vqB8NEgNe4g5mk/WMhM0SeL2OeT/LjBBuG3X99s0 kOzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530oVD072YU4wgTRMbyCZ5eXFH/jMhZI8mooAbIFmmLIna3GlRHt z0HiO2dWGp3kk0TM02kKJRpIjHWGxjVaYAMroiUy48AtoAgqIQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJylOwGIXuUs9acSxw755ZkmlNnEqgrPfTZLlneF8+wFsKQ5jNn/zU9Uo7QHErvizvPDqS7/j77ZLLXGUBva6Yg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:e92:: with SMTP id t18mr16541735ilj.283.1620717106535; Tue, 11 May 2021 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 09:11:34 +0200 Message-ID: To: Kamil Tekiela Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006a9fe905c2089b39" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Could we drop the bottom-posting rule? From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --0000000000006a9fe905c2089b39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, why not: email clients are decent enough to hide quoted sections anyway =F0=9F=91=8D Heck, even my phone can read top-posts, and the rest of the folks (reddit, mostly) use https://externals.io/ anyway =F0=9F=A4=B7 Feel free to call me out for top-posting this =F0=9F=98=9B On Mon, May 10, 2021, 23:52 Kamil Tekiela wrote: > Hi Internals, > > Could we drop the bottom-posting rule? > > Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply to a thread by > top-posting, only to get chastised by someone else on the list. It's real= ly > difficult to remember to delete the default reply. Mail clients don't mak= e > it easy for us; it's hidden by default. Bottom-posting makes reading the > thread much more difficult too. The actual reply gets lost in between the > quoted content. I often get confused about what is new and what was > quoted. Many modern clients are designed to handle top-posting and don't > handle bottom-posting well. People are usually used to it and they read > from top to bottom. I don't know if in the past some mail clients default= ed > to bottom-posting but right now it just seems like an unnecessary > annoyance. > > If you want to quote someone then it makes sense to copy a part of the > message and then add a reply below, but forcing people to remove the > default reply from the mail client and then add the whole previous messag= e > on top of your own reply isn't very productive. It wastes time and screen > space. > > Could we please change this rule or at least stop enforcing it? > Do people actually have mail clients that don't automatically hide the > previous conversation? If not, then I think we can let people top-post. > > Regards, > Kamil > --0000000000006a9fe905c2089b39--