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Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 00:37:20 +0200
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To: Kamil Tekiela <tekiela246@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
From: deleugyn@gmail.com (Deleu)

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That would be great!

I had an unpleasant experience with this "rule". You start disagreeing with
someone regarding an RFC and suddenly it becomes a reason to be called out.
Not to mention that when I was pointed to the internal rules and
guidelines, bottom posting is not explicitly listed as a rule, but rather a
suggestion, which then makes it even more annoying to have someone
chastising you about it because it feels much more like the issue is not
really how you're responding to the list, but rather the fact that you're
in disagreement.

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 23:52 Kamil Tekiela <tekiela246@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Internals,
>
> Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
>
> Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply to a thread by
> top-posting, only to get chastised by someone else on the list. It's really
> difficult to remember to delete the default reply. Mail clients don't make
> it easy for us; it's hidden by default. Bottom-posting makes reading the
> thread much more difficult too. The actual reply gets lost in between the
> quoted content. I often get confused about what is new and what was
> quoted. Many modern clients are designed to handle top-posting and don't
> handle bottom-posting well. People are usually used to it and they read
> from top to bottom. I don't know if in the past some mail clients defaulted
> to bottom-posting but right now it just seems like an unnecessary
> annoyance.
>
> If you want to quote someone then it makes sense to copy a part of the
> message and then add a reply below, but forcing people to remove the
> default reply from the mail client and then add the whole previous message
> on top of your own reply isn't very productive. It wastes time and screen
> space.
>
> Could we please change this rule or at least stop enforcing it?
> Do people actually have mail clients that don't automatically hide the
> previous conversation? If not, then I think we can let people top-post.
>
> Regards,
> Kamil
>

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