Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114321 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13752 invoked from network); 9 May 2021 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 9 May 2021 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BF21804B5 for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 16:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com (mail-pg1-f178.google.com [209.85.215.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 16:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id i14so12040122pgk.5 for ; Sun, 09 May 2021 16:55:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:references:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=li5ksuLt5o+t4kTrskGCng/9E9vgtO0qcXB3E0eamKE=; b=cRAo+q53aPWMT5p5HRuzCw/MzdNeRf5zrfp1bmqV1pdrFnZSoasIg8MhosHFkDixMy R2DpN51Hb5t7jTdsRXlNiWkngJ9L4yBDabS+uXxzWW+bnLuuJgFVGqN/g0WMwIHnf4t6 C0Pg6ahNbJQJ5LzWX3nWqKWIcU2/8WBDxQTLb6M9mJIT1XTPcM5bk5Pmbgz9Byl5v2sj bUy/aVDmkn2bMwDSMY5QsxxsJChIZotKLGg2gCWm/7RR31JJJHBZrzUxJmSaA3Gx+Ujl Eo8dGO4sk6IFarxMza538egH/5h5EVWbcp3ZEBwHoD3uJ3AuVcgrfQhM8YP4hH4kFOhu C7xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:references:from:subject:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=li5ksuLt5o+t4kTrskGCng/9E9vgtO0qcXB3E0eamKE=; b=Dx//tO0N7EzXCkVQ9yuIW9D2Cxo1pMy8uOXeiNijj6WSZ2TDJTrYBmksdB2ZdhgFjz tcidD1vB0Z2kiHJ4jmuMLhehE/JUBnTmH3+h6w4sDPN82376uZu0+IV30YQNWfKC/VoL LAtCImj2KFIKJAFPFGpSfc/ySQguBX+lsi1AjXBEVG3weLV2G24xuRlt3YbPrkgfoICd tlQa0InlMoyKm6vFom5MGrcndon+3n+gTdtYdhFNaJ2C5BK28OzQtB/Lv39ua0QDIuHv JxwLpoV6ROYOhInt/JGeeYJZieslgfHxMm9IWGcqxm8alCwl6ti0/TH572eD6ANQahaA DwDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533/9nSsYu2+eA/CSH5xmA6mYYV8ziIzIivaBT9iKsmEZMXyBgq8 PBjlFegVMZ0n73NPbmEQ5PpHa83ZE04T X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzIH+NgfeaE4fC/OW+XT/Uz3zGzsX4R+9tRR6J62VDOG3lJW63Zn6IPuZu0gHrgf5eN+Cvvgw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:f608:: with SMTP id m8mr21938139pgh.54.1620604507513; Sun, 09 May 2021 16:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip-192-168-8-2.us-west-2.compute.internal ([2601:646:8d80:9130::380c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d22sm17466011pjr.2.2021.05.09.16.55.06 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 May 2021 16:55:07 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: Message-ID: <17b9574d-3221-65b6-2366-4ccaa2627b78@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 16:55:06 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bugsnet From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > It might just be an illusion, but it feels like all three projects have > a lot more resources to spend on all this than PHP does; Rust has > "Working Groups", Kubernetes has "Special Interest Groups", and PHP > struggles to assign each module a single maintainer. How that affects > our tooling requirements, I'm not sure, but I suspect new contributor > experience should be high on our priority list, either in terms of user > interface or just documentation. Great survey. I do not have much experience with others, but from my observations about Prow it's a software system of its own which needs its own configuration, setup, maintenance, and everything else that's involved in setting up and maintaining CI/CD system. Github provides a nice GUI for it but there's much more that is happening behind the scenes than the GUI. Prow itself is pretty nice to use, once you learn how to work with it, but we need to be aware that if we want something with Prow capabilities, we'd need somebody willing to support this system, so we're back to the same place we departed from. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com