Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:114310 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 35808 invoked from network); 9 May 2021 08:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 9 May 2021 08:51:06 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6215A1804B5 for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 01:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wr1-f54.google.com (mail-wr1-f54.google.com [209.85.221.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 01:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id v12so13455573wrq.6 for ; Sun, 09 May 2021 01:58:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=2kEEFSkPBjh3H7nXtOQsMMv7wLrTGc9jSEJxmXfsDNA=; b=nzJKaYXWW+d55iDw323fznSrBqwnWKEg9kQlQUFzkmolPzr0ckX5wy3SQMbugInl7a 6LtV7GRFBrCiDtMginYSs9HXanvnAWcOtb0Q8Cxqv/XH4FmB1QJp/o5OUuwvMR2q7xgL eXatFFLTaZBpHk85WS/jgaX7DmnqRk4TKWU0ZaOvvMAyMSx3DLjej5xd6I2xwIDy5015 DRvGW59OZAmpGtWQhxJfkEpB/9hxoyLAQq9CTmTOk1NkIBJHRUEa6FcmwxtI8HAxF79G 6NRsixTtAeexTXSH2L4xOZBnhLmES3anfNFHabp4D875GfZoVs6awGWeh45IcgRg9BmY FuHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=2kEEFSkPBjh3H7nXtOQsMMv7wLrTGc9jSEJxmXfsDNA=; b=XCV12joCGN+ldfncTchi6ZCqGafOWJ2NjRw03zsfTMu+ns6MwFobiNVk5phmdEeleo 1AX/0luqkJSDKDnn9KOv6F5SzSJNaANOg98nga2s6SIBhXMQIOZB6g6x4Yp9lQ/RW+mr /zphWHf/ksTAmxr0Am6Iw/9lrI9uSLhbqpHPxY+cljb5zXrMkcdcrtGg585BwJz4EwbD 4wU2tcHmiTBd/sz39U2qlF4vl3tD/T0auBZNBbpE6LqhASgmTTOiDuoEgYprIEij3mQn QsQTrQddfUKGQ2l/uy9CA6knrjcDNcgENGT8VZ38ZDhI7GTY5we3wim+vV67QoBtpzRN AOTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KC8Wqw859Te7mf+OgrCrjSmYUdCVUpk0zP9rQXq1X3xRlw2WL 2kfLUOp3M9uUIeCMQEivo3vD7pS3Ras= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/MMUmvy40qBaiIfDZDEZ3sX4gRrlgXU/li+YXDMkjY2xmv7XYMd+k3ajlHpPkb76wbzm1VA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f38c:: with SMTP id m12mr23591979wro.282.1620550697155; Sun, 09 May 2021 01:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.27] (cpc104104-brig22-2-0-cust548.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.10.58.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e8sm17286290wrt.30.2021.05.09.01.58.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 May 2021 01:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 May 2021 09:58:17 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bugsnet From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 9 May 2021 08:33:08 BST, Stanislav Malyshev wrot= e: >It is not good that our infrastructure is "hidden away in a dark=20 >corner", and it is true that bugs needs some TLC for a while=2E But >Github=20 >Issues frankly sucks big time as a bug management system=2E It's hard to= =20 >fault them as it's not their core business - but while it may be=20 >adequate for a small project, I don't see how Github system could be=20 >manageable with any serious volume=2E=20 This is my instinct as well - Github Issues seems to be adequate as a ligh= tweight bug tracker, but how well will it scale, and how much will we miss = "advanced" features like separately searchable and reportable fields and st= atuses? Are we better off looking for a SaaS that can provide something mor= e full-featured - Mantis, Phabricator, Trac, Bugzilla, YouTrack, etc? It would probably be a useful exercise to mock up *how* we would use it - = I'm guessing there'd be a long list of custom tags, since that's pretty muc= h the only thing you can use for organising issues=2E I've seen some projec= ts use prefixed tags like "01 - Component: XML" to simulate a hierarchy=2E At a glance, it seems we get as many as 100 non-spam bugs a month, so even= if we don't migrate anything, we're potentially into the thousands within = a couple of years=2E Can we do a throwaway import of a few hundred bugs to = a test repo, and see what that might look like? Regards, --=20 Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]