Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:113940 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92087 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2021 19:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2021 19:28:57 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4AB180501 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-il1-f169.google.com (mail-il1-f169.google.com [209.85.166.169]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-f169.google.com with SMTP id r17so7206453ilt.0 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XZxdpOYCXldkQfVVs/NVfN1nKUp/Zl2/w6S14DnrXiI=; b=cExp/eCrjNwDm6BZuWoYO/9QdoJNg+uLLe8/JZuhDZZYEXsW+wDtg13LghJRLMkpji U5JutZ8pX3JxaRy7X7ZF4+e6Husdw1y1mG53XEshZEHC4rgJtRWAZIqM99Ez15WmaTvB CymmGN5n2moouDYV9/R5q5tLBq9JP1N6HQLJxn8998HQgtn19Bj+8zqsOc1DC4hR5cg4 g+TsxB80hOwfj0raAO8YZdWN1h7WHrZCIsvVutEdwlFU2Kx2M9gX2ePODshZcZ3CSxoN yGFkuOYFYtppFEHy/PkZRnbwD8x3lfRWyvPfK+N68XXB1Ca+Pvl6qIJO06qotSB654VR gBMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XZxdpOYCXldkQfVVs/NVfN1nKUp/Zl2/w6S14DnrXiI=; b=B9eswYN6g3lUXEi4l676c9+tbMre6sfoBt+R46k6Ktd6m12o9fhQAgfdWtNogK8fRF Lw9WcZLjQs3yv7yfRNnTSbOAsqiitiKq4+zkxJf3UkjQK60M76daA4FnHMbYGWu1dHxX ldbNXEZFr/sfbrlEh3AZw/4rQplUdA8CuftwwK5x808jOEEYEywIUptWSw2+70LBiSVG ggxaCJXdIXdY+bLK0bB72ucl8j5MpS6GnZ6tIxmzduZYETBnHR3J/Bxt9v8GPqEHOCfP iaiJsvYHP/pPReWiuFGXrVZd+Nvf/Rk5qhljiEoCUCJfgklbx3C2k62qlm169PhJuOaU I08A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532azVU4meN2k/jkvKR/Q0oCKlH82NSgbGf1bRwpD3/F+PQQhjNt JeJjdM1l9INtQvQiF1htgP8Fnmmd81E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxnYB3vTlfgS1uPtfxRyta2Jl+crawUT2yvTb68R0mUKKSHYxdyepx3qIcaia/JIwc4dke+5A== X-Received: by 2002:a92:d4c5:: with SMTP id o5mr1153760ilm.9.1617478031430; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-f175.google.com (mail-il1-f175.google.com. [209.85.166.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u4sm2039616ilj.48.2021.04.03.12.27.10 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-f175.google.com with SMTP id z9so7175174ilb.4 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1301:: with SMTP id g1mr15059992ilr.97.1617478030376; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 20:26:34 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006ee1b305bf16738e" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] noreturn type From: phpmailinglists@gmail.com (Peter Bowyer) --0000000000006ee1b305bf16738e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 17:30, Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > The problem is that "void" is already not perfect, since the callside > doesn't care about "return null" with no return type vs "return" + void > return type. > > If we had "nothing" and "null" instead of "void", and we'd say like PHP > works, "return;" actually means "return null;", then: > > function foo(): nothing { > return; // Error: cannot return null from a function that returns > nothing. > } > function bar(): null { > return; > // or return null; > } > > This would more consistently tie into union types where |null is allowed, > however on its own it is not: "foo() : null => error". > > As Levi said, this noreturn/never just perpetuates/amplifies the existing > void mistake and feels off, given that other recent changes to PHP have > been more bold, towards removing inconsistencies. > This and Levi's email make compelling arguments and I would like to see this adopted. I have changed my vote to "No". Peter --0000000000006ee1b305bf16738e--