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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 16:12:26 +0100
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To: Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Add `println(string $data = ''): int`
From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)

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On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:09 PM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:08 AM Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:54 PM tyson andre <tysonandre775@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I've created a new RFC https://wiki.php.net/rfc/println
>> > This proposes adding a global function to PHP to
>> > print a string followed by a unix newline (`\n`).
>> >
>> >
>> This isn't solving any problem that anyone is actually having.
>> Yes, that includes you. You're not having this problem because it doesn't
>> exist.
>>
>> We already have twice as many ways to output a string as any language
>> needs
>> and you want to add another because you'd rather type "LN" than "\N" ?
>> Hard, negative ten thousand no on this.
>> This is genuinely absurd.
>>
>
> My opinion matches Sara's, though maybe I wouldn't put it quite in those
> words ;)
>
> The difference between these two lines is one character:
>
> echo foo(), "\n";
> println(foo());
>
> I don't think this one character is worth adding another way to output
> strings, next to the two we already have (echo, print). Especially once you
> take into account the not entirely unambiguous semantics of printlln().
> echo foo(), "\n" is entirely clear, and distinct from both echo foo(),
> PHP_EOL and echo foo(), "<br />\n".
>

Apparently I am incapable of counting in the absence of a monospace font.
The difference is actually two characters, but I think the point still
stands... And in some cases it will actually be the other way around,
because echo "foo\n"; is two characters shorter than println("foo");.

Nikita

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