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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:51:20 -0500
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From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 8:56 AM =E9=9F=A9=E5=A4=A9=E5=B3=B0 <rango@swoole.c=
om> wrote:

> Hi,
> I am come from Chinese, we may have some cultural differences, and there
> may be some difficulties in communication. I try to express my opinion.
> To be precise, the fiber can only be used for amphp and reactphp or other
> event-driven asynchronous IO frameworks developed using php.&nbsp;The RFC
> does not mention how an extension uses fiber.
> Fiber is not like threads or processes of operating system. It is not
> parallel, nor is it concurrent. This requires an event-driven scheduler t=
o
> have practical value.&nbsp;Currently php does not have event-driven
> support. So normal web developers don=E2=80=99t know how to use fiber.&nb=
sp;It is
> for developers of asynchronous io programming.&nbsp;
> I just suggest first to provide a PECL extension like
> ext-event/ext-libevent, no need to be integrated into php now.&nbsp;Swool=
e
> is also provided to users as a PECL extension.
>
>
I want to answer this in a different way than Aaron did. Let's assume that
this is correct. No one will EVER use fibers except amphp and reactphp.
Let's also assume that it would work just fine as an extension (which Aaron
has shown already is not the case). If someone is willing to do the work to
add this to core, we aren't trading off other features in order to add it,
and it doesn't cause BC breaks or other bugs, what is the reason to not add
it?




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> &nbsp;
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> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "Peter Stalman";
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2021=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5(=
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B) =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=882:37
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "=E9=9F=A9=E5=A4=A9=E5=B3=B0";
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: "Aaron Piotrowski"; "php internals";
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Fibers
>
> &nbsp;
>
> On&nbsp;Wed.,&nbsp;Mar.&nbsp;10,&nbsp;2021,&nbsp;02:16&nbsp;=E9=9F=A9=E5=
=A4=A9=E5=B3=B0,&nbsp;<
> rango@swoole.com&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
>
>
> &gt;&nbsp;I&nbsp;am&nbsp;afraid&nbsp;that&nbsp;fiber&nbsp;can&nbsp;only&n=
bsp;be&nbsp;used&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;amphp&nbsp;framework&nbsp;and&nbsp;i=
s&nbsp;of
> &gt;&nbsp;no&nbsp;value&nbsp;to&nbsp;other&nbsp;php&nbsp;projects.
> &gt;
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I&#39;d&nbsp;like&nbsp;to&nbsp;see&nbsp;you&nbsp;elaborate&nbsp;on&nbsp;t=
his&nbsp;point.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are&nbsp;you&nbsp;able&nbsp;to&nbsp;provide
> anything&nbsp;to&nbsp;back&nbsp;up&nbsp;this&nbsp;claim?
>
>
> I&nbsp;don&#39;t&nbsp;see&nbsp;anything&nbsp;that&nbsp;is&nbsp;specific&n=
bsp;to&nbsp;amphp,&nbsp;not&nbsp;anything&nbsp;to&nbsp;limit&nbsp;it&nbsp;t=
o
>
> their&nbsp;use.&nbsp;&nbsp;Fibers&nbsp;also&nbsp;exist&nbsp;outside&nbsp;=
of&nbsp;PHP,&nbsp;while&nbsp;amphp&nbsp;doesn&#39;t.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter



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