Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:113445 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92138 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2021 18:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2021 18:29:52 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044C1180087 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:22:08 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-vk1-f176.google.com (mail-vk1-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id i4so3998187vkc.12 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:22:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Sg448O1ydp6Bh9ITH/1P12/5qw+A9A6WNb/miQfmYyg=; b=CldeTLMVM2SXKINlanL+cia3YqznhZGNxqxHz22WXW1SQcO33a6uL3xHI9j1Zoh9Rm +q+8hmUK+ZgwlOXG27j+hmOQlPmKETgL+eV2x7weU204QhCVr5mDl6b9Z3ciCj7LnBbC RNYH6gzZk2Olb+wgPEPsvS4vkSLdZSHwvfK8sh5c9FGYAUqXaOSHpXDQ8HlYS0Y/dCYa Hsj7Ri1AKH4CM62KYFtee09kGuQAbt/YFPYxgh2UYz/rr6mh1cX7mYogTR9WYDNMxUh3 HWlUm0D923aMq/nDetzkVITLUr1t1K1BY5oLqBttNUsIfOvgO303Gq38UxycAo073Qv2 S3Lg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Sg448O1ydp6Bh9ITH/1P12/5qw+A9A6WNb/miQfmYyg=; b=XZCm8XpBMVxXKEkcW7qJFNkNhVD5wGxXagge3lPqLItR5No1ppV9xUeJRs+PeevzoM hAy9P5Dxv9GVGtFrZ7nup487lJlAiAP26a8v1kFktURPv3spj9oS0Si0E6SuhoQJCl0M ReU4qN9LV7+r+nKPcUkokCdO69eNafuXpFNKJyCS3cENwjmksSkTTgAiI7W26dVhTXBQ 3qo5HW03/RNBdBysb9sr0vzul+Y+P4sC/ESDqEreAddvi8HPSg6CJjy0EVxsa4QX5eb2 bg1Mgfdo3DkBcyuAdZS/uUESr862ghANRuO/vv+jo8t8bhAj3eY40TwSMSXq2zpLYKwX 0NdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5335/gK0LZbKksi3rG2UpZssQMHnFfGgMkpL5pjhEvwOLX+lxBoK P7TcAGjmossNQaPtyicHw8v482QTtIpLY1ASHvqdduh4BWy17FvR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAd3nDldaQHF5WmiGWfZ9vHdyUXxj2E3yPv2A29GDWkcqPzNbZI8opHaKEV32nm7AWw57vudSRYUb0s0DPW0A= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:c786:: with SMTP id x128mr2603794vkf.10.1615400523044; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:22:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 18:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: Aaron Piotrowski Cc: php internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Fibers From: Danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) Hi internals, Well, technically this is addressed more to people who read internals. Please don't contact people off list putting pressure on them to vote in a particular way. It _really_ is not appreciated, no matter how well intentioned the sender thinks it is. I maintain some notes on RFC etiquette here: https://github.com/Danack/RfcCodex/blob/master/rfc_etiquette.md#dont-pressure-people-by-private-communication-to-vote (which not even is going to fully agree with), but getting unsolicited pressure to vote in a particular way makes people uncomfortable, and less likely to take part in the project in the future. cheers Dan Ack = Don't pressure people by private communication to vote Even with the best intentions, unsolicited off-list communications putting pressure on people to vote a particular way are rude. At best they don't have any effect, but most of the time they make the recipient uncomfortable. If you want to influence how people are going to vote, these things are appropriate: * Sending an email to internals saying that you would like to see this pass. * Posting on Reddit /r/php or other platform where discussions take place, and then posting a link to internals, saying "these are my thoughts". * Asking in a public communication channel asking someone in a neutral way 'are you going to vote?'. Private communications trying to change people's minds are a burden that make people receiving them feel bad, even if they are intentioned to help the project.