Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:113216 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84610 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2021 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2021 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9321804C3 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wr1-f42.google.com (mail-wr1-f42.google.com [209.85.221.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-f42.google.com with SMTP id h98so14395821wrh.11 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=qHHoppuA4Q272hqWG5dma0QEcPDTb89lTJWRdVVwCik=; b=ebP2RQ+cuSRFTFvulklVr2dhIx1VZEdRTXYJDtEyrz6J1rqL+QC7wbOtC/WSNNqebt 2J6Ye6OcDRQF15wMhtQFXws6oe+nnme4UWNqzs4TmOUDYTpFFyGnv0LbPifYD1QGXvk+ fHiEk9bz2W7jARAqXdtEK9NJlUSYSwjB1M6Q/F7OzCsdM0fzxlBBkCodvkaG+5dARwKW a0Jot+ATkCDrpqlhall2HIYUuEroqHq5jiQbzSkSpQXPQdtJRoRBLJGDO8/J6Dov/RjF 0qHKKfbKArHkZZ+ncaauI9B17CuD658hGKBtoivThDWH4Dbv/m5Az/MI9zx+uGwcdfSP UW7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=qHHoppuA4Q272hqWG5dma0QEcPDTb89lTJWRdVVwCik=; b=NwQ3oaTn/Ibpbeb8SGQ0wgfjhXBtVBaGc2IpHqW05y6TNAv2BTXt5wpePT4/CyZLT1 6PKpSigXYOrSLUtvp3IAZdm0zcAkzTP2+an/mpDZfKyBbnpZudilndPkZ/hbRjEiQUZ5 S5F4ZXcL8IkWOEPYJBAMdnG8WB/ATgXvnp6AjySIX6c89OOh1aZdA7TRwg+H3QKQHtWC 2mou7TjWM/tt1FRx8L9cXYfSwkxffbIDNQjGHQe4mxZ2hju5AjKLKQLgtZxNe44V70mK yWhUPuUboBeGCcH2B1ppbMHu0f64atIK9BDcwLVf84EMD+zcnIh+2uunPpF/hEZUgP6P JzFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ON+bT16Ubd4hNj0HWcEqvLjJ60xI64UrhWP05y75j37BhqIZo qdLW7BW9dGR7ZMPQyVF7JuSNVvlT2J8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw4tdyxiNbFXYo/jnxhPmX+/k0RGjFwqpvs0Jfh4ad12t0iUb9wavIEsTZ+uQcpWGPP017Seg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f1c4:: with SMTP id z4mr4079280wro.52.1614002727054; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (cpc104104-brig22-2-0-cust548.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.10.58.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y62sm30579603wmy.9.2021.02.22.06.05.26 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:05:26 -0800 (PST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <52E47CD0-11F0-45DF-9387-DFB5DFDC481A@cschneid.com> Message-ID: <64f3f4bd-a997-0389-0de5-9553e06e11e9@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:05:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Small annoyances of PHP: Simple fixes would make tests fail From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 22/02/2021 10:14, Christian Schneider wrote: > Side-note: Maybe we should recommend a function to be used for tests. At my work we used to use var_export(), some of our newer tests are using json_encode() but neither is really guaranteed to be stable, right? Well, the obvious choice to me would be var_dump, which is used by the majority of PHP's internal tests (see https://externals.io/message/112967#112971 for some numbers). I was considering putting together a pull request that standardises on that for all bundled extensions, fixing the few hundred (out of thousands) that use var_export or print_r. However, I've never used PHPT-style tests outside of PHP internals, and for anything like PHPUnit or PHPSpec you would normally be testing against actual PHP values, not any string representation; so I don't really have any opinion on that scenario. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]