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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP\iterable\any() and all() on iterables
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP\iterable\any() and all() on iterables
From: tysonandre775@hotmail.com (tyson andre)

Hi Levi Morrison,=0A=
=0A=
> > Hi internals,=0A=
> >=0A=
> > Voting has started on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable and =
ends on 2021-02-22.=0A=
> >=0A=
> > This RFC proposes to add the functions `PHP\iterable\any(iterable $inpu=
t, ?callable $callback =3D null): bool` and `PHP\iterable\all(...)`=0A=
> > to PHP's standard library's function set, using the namespace preferred=
 in the previous straw poll.=0A=
> >=0A=
> > There is a primary vote on whether to add the functions, and a secondar=
y vote on the name to use within the `PHP\iterable` namespace.=0A=
> >=0A=
> > Thanks,=0A=
> > - Tyson=0A=
> > --=0A=
> > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List=0A=
> > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php=0A=
> >=0A=
> =0A=
> Thanks for the RFC. I have voted no, even though I am very supportive=0A=
> of the direction. My objections are:=0A=
> - I think the scope is too small. This is introducing a new family of=0A=
> functions, but is only proposing two functions. This is too small to=0A=
> firmly root in good design and precedence.=0A=
=0A=
I misread your earlier comment in https://externals.io/message/111756#11176=
4=0A=
=0A=
My general stance on this is similar to =0A=
https://github.com/Danack/RfcCodex/blob/4cb3466e42063be00ece0cdb296c0b1336e=
b81c0/rfc_etiquette.md#dont-volunteer-other-people-for-huge-amounts-of-work=
=0A=
=0A=
I have limited time, and this has generated a lot of discussion.=0A=
I'm concerned that adding more functionality initially would add questions =
like =0A=
"Do we really need to add `none()` if we already have `!any()` and=0A=
"I voted against this because I don't see the need for `chunk()`, `reversed=
()`, =0A=
`filter()`, etc. (or disagree with one of the implementation details)"=0A=
=0A=
> - I do not like the chosen namespace. This is not as important as the=0A=
> previous point, but still factored into my decision as we are still=0A=
> very early in choosing namespaces for internals. I don't want to vote=0A=
> for something I think is a bad direction when we're this early on.=0A=
> =0A=
> Again, I am supportive of adding these functions in some form, but I=0A=
> very strongly do not believe this RFC is what we should do.=0A=
=0A=
And you're strongly opposed to the global namespace. https://externals.io/m=
essage/112558#112598=0A=
=0A=
An unrealistic hypothetical worst-case scenario would be where half of vote=
rs vote against =0A=
any new categories of functions in the global namespace, and half of voters=
 vote against=0A=
any new categories of functions outside of the global namespace, and nothin=
g achieves a 2/3 majority=0A=
in php 8.1.=0A=
=0A=
> I tried to collaborate with Tyson more on these points but either we=0A=
> mis-communicated or he wasn't interested. In any case, it's up for a=0A=
> vote so I choose "no."=0A=
=0A=
I disagreed. =0A=
My decision was based on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw=
_poll_namespace#vote=0A=
I strongly feel that this should be based on feedback from voters as a whol=
e when we're this early in namespacing discussions,=0A=
or the namespacing discussion would continue as "maybe this was the wrong c=
hoice of namespace."=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
- Tyson=0A=