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Subject: Re: Straw poll: Naming for `*any()` and `*all()` on iterables
From: tysonandre775@hotmail.com (tyson andre)

Hi internals,=0A=
=0A=
> > I've created a straw poll for the naming pattern to use for `*any()` an=
d `*all()` on iterables.=0A=
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw_poll=0A=
> > =0A=
> > Background: The RFC https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable propos=
es adding only two functions,=0A=
> > but more functionality acting on iterables (array|Traversable) may be a=
dded in the future,=0A=
> > making it important to get feedback what people feel the best choice of=
 naming pattern would be=0A=
> > to avoid inconsistency or name changes later on.=0A=
> > (Many alternatives were suggested in the initial RFC announcement - htt=
ps://externals.io/message/111756)=0A=
> =0A=
> > From Nikita Popov,=0A=
> > Using just the SPL namespace (that is, SPL\any) makes the SPL namespace=
 a=0A=
> > dumping ground for everything, as you said. Once you introduce an=0A=
> > additional meaningful namespace in the form of SPL\iterable\any, you ar=
e=0A=
> > better off either dropping the SPL part and arriving at iterable\any, o=
r=0A=
> > replacing SPL with something more sensible and arriving at PHP\iterable=
\any.=0A=
> >=0A=
> > TBH I think Tyson's original approach of not including namespaces as a=
=0A=
> > possibility was the right one. We clearly still don't have any consensu=
s on=0A=
> > how to structure namespaces in PHP extensions and it doesn't seem like =
a=0A=
> > question that should be resolved as a footnote of another RFC. There ha=
ve=0A=
> > been multiple RFCs one the topic, and none of them reached anything eve=
n=0A=
> > approaching a consensus.=0A=
> =0A=
> I'm planning to revise https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw=
_poll_namespace=0A=
> due to feedback that the proposed namespace choices differs from prior pr=
oposals =0A=
> such as https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php_namespace_policy and perceived inter=
est in options such as PHP\SubNS\=0A=
> =0A=
> Although my original intent was to add `*any*()` and `*all*()` to the lan=
guage=0A=
> rather than work on PHP namespace policy,=0A=
> I still feel obligated to gather feedback for this specific use case=0A=
> since this discussion may come up in future RFCs adding new categories of=
 functionality.=0A=
> =0A=
> There'd be an unmanageable amount of options to vote among if I poll on t=
he combination of namespace and name,=0A=
> which is even more unpleasant since we currently don't have a widget dedi=
cated to STV(Single Transferrable Vote) polls (that I know of),=0A=
> just forms that must be submitted individually.=0A=
> (e.g. is X\iter\any_value() preferable over X\iterable_any())=0A=
> =0A=
> - Additionally, we haven't yet determined if there's a consensus on names=
paces.=0A=
> =0A=
> My plan is to start a different STV straw poll, on=0A=
> =0A=
> - no namespace: iterable_any()/iterable_all()=0A=
> - iter\ (conflicts with nikic/iter but was also suggested by Nikita)=0A=
> - iterable\ (see below note)=0A=
> - PHP\ (This deliberately uses uppercase, see https://www.php.net/manual/=
en/language.namespaces.rationale.php)=0A=
> - PHP\iter\=0A=
> - PHP\iterable\ (see below note)=0A=
> - Ext\Spl\, as suggested in https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php_namespace_policy=
=0A=
> - Spl\=0A=
> - Spl\iter\=0A=
> - Spl\iterable\ (see below note)=0A=
> =0A=
> And if there's a clear preference for a namespace, start a second STV str=
aw poll between iterable_any(), NS\any(), NS\any_value, NS\iterable_any(), =
for the preferred namespace.=0A=
=0A=
I've updated https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw_poll_namesp=
ace to be a vote on the namespace choice rather than only Spl\ options.=0A=
I plan to start voting on that straw poll in a few days, with the vote left=
 open for 2 weeks.=0A=
=0A=
If there's a clear preference for a namespace, I plan to start a second STV=
 straw poll between iterable_any(), NS\any(), NS\any_value, and NS\iterable=
_any() (if appropriate), for the preferred namespace.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
- Tyson=0A=