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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:54:22 -0600
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Abusive emails was: silly question : what is more
 secure at the moment, php7, php8, or plain .sh shell scripts?
From: ben@benramsey.com (Ben Ramsey)

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> On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:44, Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:40 AM Larry Garfield =
<larry@garfieldtech.com>
> wrote:
>=20
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, at 4:29 AM, Kris Craig wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> and as explained in the past: if *you guy* ever again contact my
>>>>> employer asking for the law department beause you think some
>> bugreport
>>>>> written late at night with a obfuscated email was from me i will
>> *find
>>>>> and fuck* you
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Wait did somebody actually contact this troll's employer?!  Seems =
like an
>>> unnecessary escalation to me.  I think this may be a perfect example =
of
>> the
>>> timeless wisdom of the phrase, "Do not feed the trolls."
>>>=20
>>> Might be better to just block all of his known emails from the list. =
 If
>> he
>>> gets around this by emailing people individually, I agree that =
publishing
>>> it here with the email address included would be useful, as it would
>> enable
>>> everyone to individually block their emails then.
>>>=20
>>> --Kris
>>=20
>> Point of order.  "Don't feed the trolls" may be timeless, but there =
is
>> absolutely nothing wise about that saying.  It's the "turn the other =
cheek
>> when the bully punches you in the face" advice, and it backfires =
horribly.
>>=20
>> Telling people to individually block an abusive user with many email
>> addresses is putting all the effort of dealing with an abuser on the
>> victims.  That's the worst possible advice one could give.
>>=20
>> cf: https://peakd.com/community/@crell/why-you-can-t-just-ignore-them
>>=20
>> Please, for the love of all that is holy, expunge "don't feed the =
trolls"
>> from your mind.  It's counter-productive and destructive advice.
>>=20
>>=20
> I agree with this. I'd also add that in this case, we aren't even =
feeding
> this troll. He lurks on the list and sends private replies to people.
> Usually those replies nitpick on something that isn't even the main =
point
> of the discussion. The only way to "not feed" this troll would be to =
not
> participate at all.


While we don=E2=80=99t have a formal code of conduct for this =
list/project, most codes of conduct would consider communications =
initiated within project forums to remain under the code of conduct =
rules even when taken off-list (private).

This is similar to the idea (in many US school districts) that students =
who participate in fights off-campus can be punished under school rules =
because the disagreements originated on campus. And workplace harassment =
can lead to employment termination, even if the harassment took place =
after hours and somewhere other than the office.

So, in my opinion, any private responses to official mailing list posts =
should be covered under any community expectations and behavior rules we =
want to enforce.

Cheers,
Ben



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