Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:112870 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81684 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2021 13:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2021 13:13:17 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB801804E2 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 04:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f45.google.com (mail-io1-f45.google.com [209.85.166.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 04:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-f45.google.com with SMTP id u17so3836993iow.1 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 04:51:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IdvVvR7HCDKd0H2Ib5W/g0AnexCmlxXgZ2sXRrHx954=; b=vIvBNV41/IU/+neaWqoFExGb8L0Iaky7zEAr3SC6s9GH82fEVWuZ2t9V2q6/tfGP3C Q5hvSsxzJfn+kQiJ1AJIPTMUoIaaHnj+2BSQwmR+RbirDV9FWmpiql9X94uFjDVPitzi p+dqCymAoWR50j1jJ5rX6kjSBna+tqMfIuOVWYnxfmUUf3V7h3rM1LlyAnQEq8ZkOxcA 8WGK3eRDz+zvxi7DDe9z7l9kYCqMlmGRyu25nbziPjWkXXyQlb5dOL5LVYLdotLS34AB DKd3uikeVvzTpx3NLy4Lg0qA/t0YtC3MTyEuQgViS1DD0splivpMdiIgBtyANQQ2fR+I Nlmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IdvVvR7HCDKd0H2Ib5W/g0AnexCmlxXgZ2sXRrHx954=; b=JDM+Tq0L6JFS7qsHL1mrpLoBLRIvHFlOqC11K0PEN9iEJq6QgtUuEWfZRKnCsKFIve /0QlqDvr/JxsNSEI3v/lwqbMBXAQN8tHVbLNjQi3RK4IbDYRfqLRtgjjhogSav6LbV2U v6fA+/0T+69i3S9lWL4EyBqjXCg+eYLzyVYBbrfRGi70HoHb3BcIIsIN1XRqzztlkFAl 1PTPMFBTc1eOeyz6EIM9VaxZDxIddw8p6XrT7BjyBdrJePUma2WcmHpAaLfaXd6y1XNZ pbHHExtkFvySHkkQ/qUO5u7O48mQs9Jb74DayPYG+sKEDu/swtmWpHKfak/jFfp0yO0y 4KRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533bg/fZJwqqs/ZbNWQQs73V7kzWibtw6EU0FDLhWOzmoh6HQYbe 1yk9Uve0+GEc10A2RnIzvir/Q/JnsgqaZuYjZ6Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpv7O+QHfeG813g0i1w4B/mVj6Uiiy2VmvzMK6iOWL9mY6MOIrQbqms/aINYInTJn9hLfD8i3cw+4moyee+ik= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d1c9:: with SMTP id u9mr2204517ilg.282.1610542286535; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 04:51:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:51:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Benjamin Eberlei Cc: "G. P. B." , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e2804705b8c798e7" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] #[Deprecated] Attribute From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --000000000000e2804705b8c798e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey Benjamin On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > I get where you are coming from, but side-effect based > notices/deprecations is just the way PHP works at the moment and as such > this existing mechanism should be used and extended. > > I do have (vague) plans to tackle alternative ways to process > notices/deprecations in the future, but this is independent from that and > #[Deprecated] would automatically tie into a change of this kind. > If you have vague plans, perhaps introducing `#[Deprecated]` first, then proposing a separate RFC for the runtime behavior? For me, runtime behavior is: * a big problem with existing tools that started doing this * a production outage risk * something that attributes shouldn't do anyway, at least not out of the box (AOP OOTB is quite ugly and unexpected) As usual, I'm fighting for pushing things into compile-time rather than runtime, as runtime in PHP is already quite the nightmare of things to keep in mind. Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ --000000000000e2804705b8c798e7--