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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:39:49 -0700
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To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Straw poll: Naming for `*any()` and `*all()` on iterables
From: internals@lists.php.net ("Levi Morrison via internals")

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:55 AM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:28 AM tyson andre <tysonandre775@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi internals,
> >
> > > I've created a straw poll for the naming pattern to use for `*any()` and
> > `*all()` on iterables.
> > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw_poll
> > >
> > > Background: The RFC https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable
> > proposes adding only two functions,
> > > but more functionality acting on iterables (array|Traversable) may be
> > added in the future,
> > > making it important to get feedback what people feel the best choice of
> > naming pattern would be
> > > to avoid inconsistency or name changes later on.
> > > (Many alternatives were suggested in the initial RFC announcement -
> > https://externals.io/message/111756)
> >
> > I've received more feedback than I expected from voters that were strongly
> > or moderately
> > in favor of putting new categories of functionality in namespaces.
> >
> > I've started a different straw poll and plan to start voting on that on
> > the 8th (this will be the last straw poll for iterable function naming for
> > this RFC)
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/any_all_on_iterable_straw_poll_namespace
> >
> > 1. I plan to propose additional internal functions for working with
> > iterables if this succeeds,
> >    and would want to be sure this is the best name choice instead of just
> > an acceptable name choice going forwards.
> > 2. Additionally, this has been an opportunity for measuring overall
> > interest in adopting namespaces for brand new categories of functionality.
> >    It can be argued that this is a new category of functionality because
> > existing methods work on Traversables (iterator_*) or arrays (array_*), but
> > generally not both.
> >   (classes such as https://www.php.net/manual/en/class.ffi-cdata.php have
> > adopted namespaces,
> >   but no global functions in php-src that I'm aware of have adopted
> > namespaces yet)
> >
>
> I'm happy to have these functions namespaced, but I'm not sure the
> suggestion to namespace them under Spl makes sense. This functionality has
> fairly little to do with the SPL as it is now and to be honest, by now
> there is quite a bit of ... stigma associated with functionality that
> resides in SPL.
>
> I would suggest using iterable\any and iterable\all as the names if we want
> to go down this route. iterable_any and iterable_all were the by far most
> popular choices on the previous poll, and these are just the namespaced
> variants thereof.
>
> Regards,
> Nikita

On the contrary, I'm happy to accept it into the SPL. I don't want the
SPL to be a dumping ground for everything, but I specifically
requested it to be an option for this vote.