Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:112165 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 27925 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2020 19:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2020 19:58:24 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D4A1804D8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lj1-f176.google.com (mail-lj1-f176.google.com [209.85.208.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-f176.google.com with SMTP id x6so20305113ljd.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vv01G5E5ZdZan2Es3sLBrQnW43EYmgvA2YgXzk87BdA=; b=I55hBb3/EJubX9nEszFpoTIacBXTbNIQ3vE0elt5T8OcuiOmIKFAD9WCQU7R1/XQcn i3dPBgaDOGyEN+tkndErcUoBECfa31P6BjQKglBSscZNRxD7uTe6nNbyFqtLXF3hArnw wdq612vfJvBfIpCZd198OGmgEawCSCua5TzCih4Rtss1ezZ/Vvo1E9IhHmJXVXw/eOUm OxqMyz1b6z7YbKRQUzBj6448JLH3rs8W89YQfihabi07GMcfh3FGm196NaGiMqixCPdQ 0pMF5Gzw9ModWZdu2ZxBtxVPwWP+1epsnYjW2q4h09qpzziUDzf4W/4bz1lMC0xZY9M8 43uQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vv01G5E5ZdZan2Es3sLBrQnW43EYmgvA2YgXzk87BdA=; b=pqgSaw/1Lp9seCVvFTko4RbAalQk1DnQub2cnJzHg5noUG/P6/mgqdf9mgeRROxrMM aMsBpSTl/KnQgE3ZkUmYC+Pmh/p3x2XeDewpfg/hot+RCkL5abYA05K5hJx0gkrjp0zu XQ135U9ZQqLk5mgFkgA9ftgrnwEh4gdXFwB8x2Wwws/tiqeOeTzRYip10qFscFX3SuR8 Lm9hXmfOKEfd1BEGVQkqooYw34YwyPCuoBpkE/msFzElhdwSYfUEW9Zn0EGsqzvi5Kr6 5fPASE2llifgvPGZpjecmcwRUr2U+Cwp7e4tAGqDNG9aUQw26D/rPavdAFOH6i8kHFRa ZkYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533BHH7TrmMad64JiAmZDUhVF+9aFzcH3QcZhfaZNy7IfDmqlrN7 utD+QHwc4MhASvnnBz8rTXMGODlOLI35VcHGIrzAeo/s3K8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgB/9j5m+KLjK1HQfa3iy2YzNb+2/TnKgP96yGF/k6eqHMcQBm0yxdRVr/S+66cp277aBg6vlW3yA6LcdTrq0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8108:: with SMTP id d8mr9579777ljg.96.1604431132179; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 11:18:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 21:18:40 +0200 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b3405305b338bb6d" Subject: Fwd: [PHP-DEV] Nullsafe From: zsidelnik@gmail.com (Eugene Sidelnyk) --000000000000b3405305b338bb6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 7:58 PM Benjamin Morel wrote: > Hi, > > It currently returns null but issues a warning (which can be, and often > is, converted to an exception by frameworks / custom error handlers): > https://3v4l.org/1ZkVC > > The new operator returns null with no warning: > https://3v4l.org/Wmun4 > > Benjamin > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 18:09, Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > >> But currently working code doesn't fail with NullPointerException? >> Otherwise it would not be a working code. >> Early fail will be when we try return / pass anywhere this value >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 6:48 PM Benjamin Morel >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 17:38, Eugene Sidelnyk >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am wondering why don't we use ordinary `->` operator with safe null >>>> handling? >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> - changing the current behaviour of `->` would be a huge BC break >>> - and if we need another reason, there are many situations where you do >>> want to fail early if the left operand is null, so the current operator= is >>> a good fit >>> >>> =E2=80=94 Benjamin >>> >> --000000000000b3405305b338bb6d--