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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net
From: brendt@stitcher.io (Brent Roose)

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Hi internals

Regarding the matter of a sandbox, one of my colleagues open sourced a =
Laravel sandbox that runs straight in the browser and uses docker =
containers, with a little work you can extract away the Laravel part and =
have it run plain PHP. Here's the source: =
https://github.com/spatie/tinker.app =
<https://github.com/spatie/tinker.app> and here's it running: =
https://tinker.app/ <https://tinker.app/>

On topic now, regarding the promo page: this kind of marketing is where =
PHP lacks a little bit, so I think it's a great initiative. A simple one =
pager just to promote PHP, one you can share with both PHP and non-PHP =
developers, and teases the right amount to get some people interested. A =
perfect page to share on hackernews, reddit, twitter and the likes. I =
think it's a great first step!

Kind regards
Brent

> On 14 Oct 2020, at 13:18, Dik Takken <dik.takken@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 14-10-2020 03:41, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> This sounds like a fantastic idea.  The inline-run capability of Go =
and Rust's documentation is a huge win.  Writing good sample code for =
the documentation would be an interesting challenge, but it's the sort =
of thing that can be done over time.
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> I second this. However, then we should also make sure that the example
> code actually works, and on which PHP versions. As soon as examples =
can
> be run right from the documentation pages, the examples will be run =
far
> more frequently than they are now, simply because it is so much easier
> to do. Broken examples will cause more disappointing experiences.
>=20
> I don't know if example code is currently tested automatically. If =
not,
> adding a sandbox for running them may also offer an opportunity for
> automatic testing.
>=20
> Besides experimenting with example code, a sandbox may also be used to
> expose runtime information. Think of generated opcodes, the JIT =
compiled
> assembly, the AST.
>=20
> At some point I can imagine adding a documentation page about
> performance, optimization and JIT. That page could enable users to see
> how an example code snippet is compiled, optimized and how type
> inference is done. Change the code, change opcache settings and see =
what
> happens. It is interesting to toy around with and it helps to get more
> exposure to some impressive developments of recent years.
>=20
>> The interesting question would be how to configure it to ensure it =
doesn't become a security issue.  We'd probably need to lock down the =
environment's ini settings *hard* to make sure it can't do any outgoing =
communication at all.
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> Trying to lock things down will also limit the example code that can =
be
> run. And we run the risk of overlooking things. Maybe we could learn
> from other languages, how they set up their sandbox environments.
>=20
>> If we need hosting for that, I work for a hosting company and we're =
happy to help.
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> I think we all highly appreciate that offer.
>=20
> Regards,
> Dik Takken
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