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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net
From: tysonandre775@hotmail.com (tyson andre)

Hi internals,=0A=
=0A=
> As far as php.net can help with PHP's reputation, I think a brief homepag=
e=0A=
> intro that showcased some modern-looking PHP code would be great (e.g.=0A=
> typescriptlang.org, golang.org). The docs design could also be=0A=
> slightly tweaked to make everything seem newer, while still keeping the=
=0A=
> (very good) content basically the same.=0A=
=0A=
That reminds me of an idea I had a while ago:=0A=
One of the features I've seen on many other programming=0A=
languages' documentation and tutorials was the ability to run and edit the =
example snippets.=0A=
It may help in understanding the content of tutorials or example snippets f=
or functions,=0A=
- e.g. seeing what happens if code is rearranged=0A=
  or how PHP handles edge cases=0A=
- It also allows new developers to try out php before deciding to install i=
t.=0A=
=0A=
Right now, you can read the examples in https://www.php.net/manual/en/langu=
age.variables.scope.php=0A=
and copy them to run them locally, but you can't run them and see their out=
put=0A=
(as plain text or html, depending on context)=0A=
=0A=
Some examples in other languages:=0A=
=0A=
- MDN has JavaScript demos in the browser, e.g. =0A=
  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_=
Objects/Array/some=0A=
- Rust has https://play.rust-lang.org/ (run on the server side)=0A=
- golang has https://tour.golang.org/welcome/1 (run on the server side)=0A=
=0A=
There's two main options available for testing out php in a browser right n=
ow:=0A=
=0A=
- A general sandboxed php implementation hosted by the owners of php.net=0A=
  (requires that it be secured and may lead to additional hosting costs),=
=0A=
  https://3v4l.org/ (not open source https://3v4l.org/about - but similar t=
o what I was thinking of)=0A=
  or https://psalm.dev/ (open source) are projects in that area=0A=
  (Matthew Brown is one of the authors of Psalm)=0A=
- A WebAssembly solution, e.g. https://phan.github.io/demo/ (forked from ht=
tps://oraoto.github.io/pib/)=0A=
  (I'm one of the maintainers of Phan)=0A=
=0A=
WebAssembly has some noticeable drawbacks such as requiring a modern browse=
r,=0A=
requiring a large download, and requiring more RAM than an ordinary website=
.=0A=
Many other websites for programming languages have moved to sandboxed imple=
mentations=0A=
hosted on an actual server.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
- Tyson=