Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:112047 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80291 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2020 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2020 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854341804C6 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com (mail-pf1-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id w21so19268pfc.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jetbrains.com; s=googleapps; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=l7+HEzegYOXMsGDjAQ94vCRaXoyrkNQl198vaAATJeY=; b=U2oCjRvDNjf7Zq0nBWLlVj9sifTtXUMiNcgt2hFEMzY3IHcT/UI3zZvU4pJfwNK8/f 8GpqUYRUq5DEY3VLsBU30CIjUn26tD54kc1ZUpTDcv44KVMIYKAGpHh8h3VZt/46C8/t k81vhD52Ce4tIacHgzYaPu4k6fOpbOxv7KMfE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=l7+HEzegYOXMsGDjAQ94vCRaXoyrkNQl198vaAATJeY=; b=JgXkmdZZ4zmfiVHakpcViHLR7k8oLvXIxIjLlXwavno6gsL0WTYdxf7udY7S253pCv 0YZwf3tioN8qRLfEJuYyDLD7bNSojJfF83ZvekDPuRRUuOCDjVHehkhBp7+DF5ScviPR 5mPfjP64mCWn/Ht4WsI3CJGMrbU3J4RO5wsboRYgHfpqBLTELB1eEHYIj/WxvVKmaCvN bmRo9gEKl06pOoKZ6tHZ9UTaSKao3IsWGXmHy5ygZ7P1O217QB6VsgY3VKps4pd4P3Mf CEtAenCLWWWkSd/uRIwhljiAZ4Kw4xuZnhbRg+W+3tETuPFfZEw88WkMyRIA1Pza4q+V 3oPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53063IShEeKemEog0EDBWRQSCe2VEalEAj/xAq43t4LZk6IkU0gP EPyOiLOwc3W92xvNaNZZuDhjcbBJr6w8njPwL1H+tw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy1q6mGvxJw9Qsh/6oPkFQlHVvpSEJR1mibY19fukOFJ/NBD7OAbnuKD2WzXEv2JDTWa1/RgeDBGTTq/p55DgY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:3e06:: with SMTP id l6mr146844pga.179.1602604728500; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:58:36 +0300 Message-ID: To: Rowan Tommins Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net From: roman.pronskiy@jetbrains.com (Roman Pronskiy) Agree, this should be for every release. So with this concept, we can start from PHP 8.0, see how it works, and then reuse the template for subsequent releases. On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 08:57, Roman Pronskiy > wrote: > > > The PHP 8 release is going to be huge, and in some sense, you could > > say it's a whole new language. > > > > > I think that's going a bit far. I don't want to detract from the great > features in 8.0, but there were great features in other releases as well - > 7.4 had arrow functions and typed properties, for instance, which are just > as game-changing for some code as named parameters and constructor property > promotion. > > So, while I like the idea of shouting about the release, I'd like to see > this become a regular effort for _every_ release from now on (i.e. 8.1, > 8.2, etc), and I'd like to see it emphasise "version 8.0" rather than "PHP > 8". > > With both PHP 5 and PHP 7, there was a concerted "evangelism" effort to get > hosts and applications to upgrade, but really we want that to happen *every > year*, not just every 5 years. I'm concerned that people may consider "PHP > 7" to be "current", even though both 7.0 and 7.1 are now EOL, and that the > same will happen with "PHP 8" in a few years' time. > > Regards, > -- > Rowan Tommins > [IMSoP] -- Best regards, Roman Pronskiy Product Marketing Manager of PhpStorm https://www.jetbrains.com/