Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:112030 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87629 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2020 10:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2020 10:39:33 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636C018053B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (mail-io1-f44.google.com [209.85.166.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id m17so17058315ioo.1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vBrNv3NR+OOM32HUHL/0ZhhtvpsWquECn8zBx6BfiGY=; b=DX03CojjFVAteEdG/GE4/HN/C0WdeIiSz2o83dp/XYm+EJDTTn0RCYbyNl6TsUnkK5 rtybpoFR/kOYK8vb+phOH4dU6HCbnvC0qRM0zjbXQSFz42siSf2+t6u6caRSnUTP5g1c wbuXG1A75tZCZAHjh5kwU5mGoSivdEzk+Rp47nZhHWnNQyZWas6U+kjZCJ6+GsChU3qf jglqTu//rXBHqN9vcAOGGtyTU0bB5vvRAG+PRF7CvkVLbyLXqqfGChXe9/oiybRb/5kx ZfZJClo3eG6PTy2bGBPUXdJyT7nwWkBTULL1FT5mkzwV+lfVN85czgNK6AKvu6POPFuh t9pQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vBrNv3NR+OOM32HUHL/0ZhhtvpsWquECn8zBx6BfiGY=; b=ZfepKi99EIWvJPsv7cRIgm3jcoXm4LCVBf5sI7xA742CA+Pemrgc8ugZlM3DzFHjH+ aG88yjDtLlcCSy2PaGM5D4ishX8661dft4Jh0J08/ljwoBUPiCaFMIFRMTPAvouC945W Dbv57XsButRxgGmmJNQbnEqEJO1gfU7n9bhEzhnKgHMAc0NOELJa5NlB2zxbmuuHk7IU SUUCaKI9GKRI9AU8frJUTjDg8G8n/g1p2uWw2G0R4yfM3FWTGhcBCPgj6PC/5RtaERen T/s6pQ0Evgfb2tlkP89rK5cOBni/ZR6bii5lfeh23WsaBOr8PxCHZZjkzuCdI1jGqSg5 rPcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532No/yFo9WSDA3y3tG+akiDWiwFCgBtYMHJN2M6Y8HPaVMl9Wb0 kkCcnHS8UOkh0++V+dA+QAB0XxxFeHDn0hYYGniPg+uSCTw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0hxfZy8vVDq8Yl00XXRzZbVuvNzRWVCeAvsBuDWzKsLLKq1H97fJJE4D0BspToEYYjoFoGKG/870jYj6ugAg= X-Received: by 2002:a02:76c5:: with SMTP id z188mr19548968jab.74.1602496464259; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:54:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000081900805b17648f7" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) --00000000000081900805b17648f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 08:57, Roman Pronskiy wrote: > The PHP 8 release is going to be huge, and in some sense, you could > say it's a whole new language. > I think that's going a bit far. I don't want to detract from the great features in 8.0, but there were great features in other releases as well - 7.4 had arrow functions and typed properties, for instance, which are just as game-changing for some code as named parameters and constructor property promotion. So, while I like the idea of shouting about the release, I'd like to see this become a regular effort for _every_ release from now on (i.e. 8.1, 8.2, etc), and I'd like to see it emphasise "version 8.0" rather than "PHP 8". With both PHP 5 and PHP 7, there was a concerted "evangelism" effort to get hosts and applications to upgrade, but really we want that to happen *every year*, not just every 5 years. I'm concerned that people may consider "PHP 7" to be "current", even though both 7.0 and 7.1 are now EOL, and that the same will happen with "PHP 8" in a few years' time. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] --00000000000081900805b17648f7--