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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Den fre. 21. aug. 2020 kl. 09.03 skrev Brent Roose <brendt@stitcher.io>:
> What about people who occasionaly contribute to docs? Are they more eliga=
ble to vote than someone like Nicalos Grekas? It's a good thing he got voti=
ng rights, but in my mind that should have been a no-brainer. I realise som=
e people might get upset with this point of view, but I don't think that oc=
casionaly contributing to PHP docs makes you a better representative than h=
aving actively shaped the PHP landscape over the past decade.

Difference is that people who "occasionally" contribute to docs are
involved with the PHP project, they are contributors, not users. So
yes they are more eligible to vote because that is the privilege that
they earn by being contributors, not users. Sure we have a high
barrier of entry, but if we let the floodgates open for any abled soul
to begin voting and judging then we would never get anything
productive done. The RFC experiment on Github was a mess, sure there
was some valuable feedback there but there was a multitude of equal
feedback that was useless because it was so open.

> How many people have voting rights? Over 200 if I'm not mistaken? How man=
y of those have been activly contributing to PHP for over the past year? I =
think that's a better question to answer. If half of those people's voting =
rights get revoked then maybe there's room to allow a few more key communit=
y figures to participate?

There are 1876 VCS accounts and then we have a number of wiki only
users who can vote. We have no metrics that can measure such, because
a lot of things happen behind the scenes that you see. The discussion
that I referenced in my earlier reply that took place last year tried
to revoke existing contributors from their right to vote that they
have earned by using the amount of commits or something in that
direction as a metric to tell if a contributor was "active". Neither
do we have a process to clean this, and for most project members that
seems fine so it has not changed. What baffles me is that non project
contributors really seem interested in taking a stab at this without
really being involved in the project in any way.

If you want to have the right to vote, then please earn it by being a
part of the project. If I want the right to vote on features in
userland projects, then I would also earn it like a regular
contributor if I wanted it so dearly. It really does not take much
effort.

There is nothing that stops an RFC author from surveying userland
various communities before they seek to have it accepted into PHP
proper. Twitter is a decent place to do so.

--=20
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net