Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111638 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55114 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2020 23:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2020 23:25:37 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99A71804AA for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wm1-f54.google.com (mail-wm1-f54.google.com [209.85.128.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f54.google.com with SMTP id g75so3681019wme.4 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:27:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ub3fBV4t/7FwP2cWJ7nKSOkeBjRGbW4PqqlxGK06htc=; b=QMC5DvYGXIZGAiwNZsMtkr3Fsz1FETLklXqu1exXTMoi5bJSSWSB802U7GgDbFe1Av C5sltEt4yHdMQUsOODOTaMtftQAiR5P0il04KTKzmGIT3LYdJKMKwS4hDPx7h5nBuun/ otc70JiQbzWNHegx5j2Rv+yc8J5mr/mf6V0OgZjTg2jl/kx8tOFOZlsxoc2APUgWJnxX EPt2L8y8a7njwtHS8aEYznPUtqiqLCD/UuU7Gz1ok1JeSkaHvw26AfSXAa+PmzIgHjwX BmAMrm8QYYPm+XeXKGKz6WRlNL+VbjAC6osEDWzKjTynsW4n8KuMPQBG+hkj9ROMq5w4 QPJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ub3fBV4t/7FwP2cWJ7nKSOkeBjRGbW4PqqlxGK06htc=; b=O2is3+E2GmuNryx+8T+F7AkIs2ATD0ZeTbOdVwtBfTmkfyJdSbteRFvNAee4hpN7Sh 29XcPB3DzbzdQDXGdqoH+v95HNc3Z+sylsfTeNCyeRr8backY9d67DKN1bouSG0zvOTO lb9Xt4KzO9IMxiVieJ0cKM6HmpsWh8kEst7eeI/yuuEjgqPjGFCYcCYI4EWb5RerUyFT RqEFF90Se2u8EFdbNOO0I9IkI4Q+m6TFeUMISuKx4uE1uwUitTEhKpVv9FbBGOSy6Pcm x0/ZCnIC00Q7xqlDMFKAE9D3OjUho+V+pyuMTMUGCucjM3VwlZTZ0EqLlIJOmYMeEUkQ oO3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53089jKiTZaMT7UzRBz88cyNTpTgy4hNqP9QqrCU2Un6ehcVlSvO cwHgj5ngd4jl2cq3rtfcCCdpROBw6UQNF/E3Fw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyr67KQrMPjj+kIxxq3QXjMqpPUrSGa6Z+/VHoowHTONprZ9X53OKd67Z3ntBCsOyQ2d8z44RcRqXd+lKb5jIA= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c8da:: with SMTP id f26mr424245wml.126.1597876022515; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: Benjamin Morel Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs From: paul.crovella@gmail.com (Paul Crovella) -1 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:28 PM Benjamin Morel wrote: > > Hi internals, > > The heated debate about attribute syntax made me think once again that it > would be valuable to get feedback in the form of votes from the community, > not just from core developers, on RFCs under discussion. > > Understandably, the RFC voting process needs to be restricted to carefully > selected people, mostly core developers. But the fact is, this process is a > bit elitist, and fails to represent the community as a whole. A recent > thread showed that even very active > contributors to OSS are unlikely to ever get a vote. > > A project being nothing without its users, it would be nice to know whether > an important change will make them happy or not. > > Therefore, I have in mind to develop (time permitting) an experimental > tool, external to the PHP wiki, that would replicate the voting options of > each RFC, but would allow everyone with a GitHub account to vote on the > same options as the original RFC. While the vote results would not directly > affect the wiki's vote results, I guess that this community feedback could > be taken into consideration by wiki voters and help them make an informed > decision. > > To be useful, a link to the community voting site would need to be present > in each RFC, ideally some time before the actual voting starts on the wiki. > > If popular enough, this tool could offer some analysis capabilities, such > as "what's the vote results from people having at least 100 commits to the > top 1000 packagist projects in the last year?" to help filter out the noise. > > Thoughts? > > Kind regards, > Benjamin