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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs
From: benjamin.morel@gmail.com (Benjamin Morel)

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Thank you for your feedback, Ben & Stanislav.

*Ben:*

It=E2=80=99s all fairly transparent, and if non-voting members want to prov=
ide
> input, they have various ways to do so (e.g., posting here, giving
> feedback to someone who is active here, etc.).


While this is true, I'm afraid the opportunities to provide "lightweight"
feedback are fairly limited. For the same reason I hate not being able to
just "+1" a message on @internals without having to reply and pollute the
thread with just a thumbs up, I feel like someone may just want to give
their opinion in a poll, without having to post a "I like XXX
syntax" message on @internals.

I think it would need to be clear that this is not a
> binding *vote*. Rather, it=E2=80=99s an informal *poll* to gauge
> support/interest in something. People who do have RFC voting privileges
> are not obligated to vote one way or another based on the results of
> the poll.


A *poll *reflects much better what I had in mind, indeed!

In the end, it may be best if an informal poll like this is conducted
> by a third-party who does not have RFC voting privileges (so that they
> could be considered neutral and unrelated to internals).


I don't have RFC voting privileges, so this condition would be met.


> There=E2=80=99s nothing stopping anyone from doing this right now. :-)


Actually there is: without a link to the poll in the RFC itself, the poll
would probably not get enough visibility to be useful.

*Stanislav:*

If
> somebody wants to voice an opinion, it's always welcome. But let's not
> pretend like people who actually maintain PHP core and everybody who
> ever used PHP or may be thinking about using it have equal weight here.


The whole idea would be to give people a straightforward way to voice their
opinion, without polluting @internals. As stated above, the wording would
be very clear that this is just a poll to help actual voters make an
informed decision, nothing more. If the poll gives a different result than
the RFC, the RFC obviously wins.

Please feel welcome to. However, I don't think this should have any
> official role in any PHP governance process, any more than any other
> poll on the internet might. That said, my opinion is hearing other
> opinions is rarely harmful and frequently useful, so why not.


Again, this would only be useful if linked to from the RFC. Hence I'd need
to get some kind of approval on the idea here before venturing into an
implementation.

- Benjamin

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