Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111616 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98628 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2020 21:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2020 21:59:19 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E272180510 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from smtp.simply.com (smtp.simply.com [94.231.106.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com (mail-wr1-f49.google.com [209.85.221.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by smtp.simply.com (Simply.com) with ESMTPSA id 4BWNbf4KSDz62Jf for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:00:30 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=givoni.dk; s=unoeuro; t=1597784430; bh=hb+ICSij1G18oTFjfTrH4H4WArxjW2P+44FmSqk861k=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=UxJLBm3GFpwULh6WPv7pV7s35J0Q3S6Vu/NZhqvtaIAsLy+QmhQjt56tn+7nMWBkQ mVS2NXASmknOO+RgEE+MveJO51Ck85igvAkTC/iVfvuzB/g5UE9CLWEwQ9v/3Ysz+5 UKjZAP/MCwlZqVfYIgU3fMET3mBOYwnGEW7Gfu5U= Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id f7so19525235wrw.1 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532qOKsc4pwStOA8AciMlPI/R+4HJQj37DtDiSHm5db0c+Zi0N2w 0BgMj3ZY+ffTfCDkVfgNt/p+E1TnQ2GP4WJVmYc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOKhzMYfDWdkFTc0CLzfR4gHgUO/rR9SRdcTJekSOMHy0eXZ4FsQgjx90Ge4VwxZ3ExYdLTRqZ8Eiy9GRCAzE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:68cf:: with SMTP id p15mr22384547wrw.148.1597784430218; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5cc837df-ab47-628a-d29b-46d7933be973@gmx.net> <3A7CECC3-CDEE-4852-BF4B-4EC7CA1BD538@pmjones.io> <7d6c42a4-53cd-5e38-4ffc-02fe490d66a3@gmx.net> <9A07334F-1A55-4E7D-88B5-7E6BABFB5E81@newclarity.net> In-Reply-To: <9A07334F-1A55-4E7D-88B5-7E6BABFB5E81@newclarity.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:00:19 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Mike Schinkel Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change From: jakob@givoni.dk (Jakob Givoni) On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:36 AM Mike Schinkel wrote: > > I have been following all the lengthy discussions on this topic hoping the list would come to consensus. And I had been hoping someone would call the following question but since no one else has here goes. > [...] > > Should we not: > > 1. Postpone inclusion of attributes until PHP 8.1 to ensure that we get a syntax that is reasonable acceptable to large segment of stakeholders? > Seems prudent to me. > 2. Optionally have an RFC to ask people to vote on disputed principles, such as "Are ending delimiters important and thus are they required for any selected syntax?" > +1 (I already suggested this) > 3. Then open up the floor for more syntax proposals (that address all the accepted principles in #2) in hopes to find something generally acceptable to a larger segment of stakeholders with a goal of completing by 8.1? > Preferable something without square brackets :-p But it's hard to go the decent, albeit longer, path when you can almost smell the short term victory already.