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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change
From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)

I have been following all the lengthy discussions on this topic hoping =
the list would come to consensus. And I had been hoping someone would =
call the following question but since no one else has here goes.

The concept of adding attributes to PHP seemed to sail to acceptance =
but, if you count the original RFC there have been three (3) different =
RFCs each with the goal of setting or changing the decided syntax alone.

For every syntax proposed there seems to be a contingent of people who =
are deeply troubled by it. Given that once a syntax lands in an official =
release of PHP there are not take backs, moving forward with any syntax =
where people are so divided seems like a really bad idea.=20

If we care about future developers being happy enough with the decisions =
made about PHP to continue choosing PHP that I would think it would be =
incumbent upon us to find a syntax with a greater level of buy-in.

Should we not:

1. Postpone inclusion of attributes until PHP 8.1 to ensure that we get =
a syntax that is reasonable acceptable to large segment of stakeholders?

2. Optionally have an RFC to ask people to vote on disputed principles, =
such as "Are ending delimiters important and thus are they required for =
any selected syntax?"

3. Then open up the floor for more syntax proposals (that address all =
the accepted principles in #2) in hopes to find something generally =
acceptable to a larger segment of stakeholders with a goal of completing =
by 8.1?=20

-Mike=