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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 17:30:19 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change
From: michal.brzuchalski@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Marcin_Brzuchalski?=)

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Hi Benjamin,

niedz., 16 sie 2020, 11:29 u=C5=BCytkownik Benjamin Eberlei <kontakt@beberl=
ei.de>
napisa=C5=82:

> Following the valid criticisms of us starting the vote too early, we have
> closed the vote for this RFC for now.
>
> We look to restart the vote middle next week, so that we can close this
> before the Beta 3 release on September 3rd.
>
> We have updated the RFC at
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shorter_attribute_syntax_change with what we
> think
> covers all the discussion and arguments made in this and the previous
> mailing list threads.
>
> Sorry to everyone for causing this hazzle.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:41 AM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just opened the vote to make sure we don't make a terrible mistake
> > with using the @@ syntax for attributes:
> >
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shorter_attribute_syntax_change#voting
> >
> > The first vote is a vote to say that you have an opinion about attribut=
e
> > syntax. Make sure to read up on the discussion on the mailinglist if yo=
u
> > haven't done so yet.
> >
> > The second vote is an STV vote.
> >
> > In STV you SHOULD rank *all* choices, but don't pick the same one more
> > than once, as that will invalidate your vote.
> >
> > Please have a objective look at the table
> > (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shorter_attribute_syntax_change#proposal) and
> > don't just go by asthetics.
>

Thank you for working on this. Recent update doesn't change my vote but
made me even more confident about arguments behind #[] syntax.

The table which compares different syntaxes have an amount of minimum chars
needed for writing attribute but what I've noticed is that it differs when
considering more than 2 attributes in groupped syntax.

What I mean is that @@ requires always 2*N amount of chars which for 3
attributes is 6 while for syntaxes like #[] it is only 3 for N=3D1 and only
3+N-1 for N>1 which for 3 attributes is only 5 and adds always only 1
additional required chars for next additional attribute due to fact that
grouped syntax requires only one comma "," between attributes.

Cheers,
Micha=C5=82 Marcin Brzuchalski

>

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