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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:54:22 +0200
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To: Theodore Brown <theodorejb@outlook.com>
Cc: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>, 
	Benjamin Eberlei <kontakt@beberlei.de>, "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change
From: michal.brzuchalski@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Marcin_Brzuchalski?=)

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Hi Theodore,

pt., 14 sie 2020, 22:16 u=C5=BCytkownik Theodore Brown <theodorejb@outlook.=
com>
napisa=C5=82:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 2:23 PM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote:
> >
> > > > Derick and Benjamin (and Sara), are these requests reasonable? If
> > > > the RFC follows the discussion period rule and contains all the
> > > > relevant information, I will be much more confident that it is
> > > > resulting in the best long term outcome (and I think this would
> > > > speak for many others on list as well).
> > >
> > > Honestly, the current end date is fine, because the intent of the rul=
e
> > > is met.  However, I do like that you're seeking a solution which help=
s
> > > to put concerns to rest.
> > >
> > > The only part which irks me is that we have 50-some votes already cas=
t
> > > that would be thrown out and have to be redone, and that's on what is
> > > already the 3rd vote on this syntax.
> > >
> > > I'm vote fatigued, personally.  However, we're going to have to live
> > > with this syntax forever once it's out, so we should believe that we
> > > believe in it.
> >
> > As I've said, I have no problems with *extending* the time by the week
> > and a bit that I missed. I disagree about having to stop, wipe, and
> > revote. As you said, vote fatigue.
>
> Hi Derick and Sara,
>
> I don't think it's reasonable to simply extend the period, when the
> RFC has been significantly updated to include important details that
> were missing when most people cast their vote. Otherwise the vote
> result does not reflect the contents of the RFC, and therefore cannot
> be considered valid.
>
> If vote fatigue is really the most important consideration here,
> would this RFC have been brought to vote in the first place?
>

I don't think there's anything significant changed in the RFC. I really
doubt the vote result will change significantly.

Currently you're the only one who wants to wipe the vote and there is no
much voices willing to follow your proposal.

Personally I think extending the vote by additional week is fair enough.

Cheers,
Micha=C5=82 Marcin Brzuchalski

>

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