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If=0A= > > > the RFC follows the discussion period rule and contains all the=0A= > > > relevant information, I will be much more confident that it is=0A= > > > resulting in the best long term outcome (and I think this would=0A= > > > speak for many others on list as well).=0A= > >=0A= > > Honestly, the current end date is fine, because the intent of the rule= =0A= > > is met. However, I do like that you're seeking a solution which helps= =0A= > > to put concerns to rest.=0A= > >=0A= > > The only part which irks me is that we have 50-some votes already cast= =0A= > > that would be thrown out and have to be redone, and that's on what is= =0A= > > already the 3rd vote on this syntax.=0A= > >=0A= > > I'm vote fatigued, personally. However, we're going to have to live=0A= > > with this syntax forever once it's out, so we should believe that we=0A= > > believe in it.=0A= > =0A= > As I've said, I have no problems with *extending* the time by the week=0A= > and a bit that I missed. I disagree about having to stop, wipe, and=0A= > revote. As you said, vote fatigue.=0A= =0A= Hi Derick and Sara,=0A= =0A= I don't think it's reasonable to simply extend the period, when the=0A= RFC has been significantly updated to include important details that=0A= were missing when most people cast their vote. Otherwise the vote=0A= result does not reflect the contents of the RFC, and therefore cannot=0A= be considered valid.=0A= =0A= If vote fatigue is really the most important consideration here,=0A= would this RFC have been brought to vote in the first place?=0A= =0A= Regards, =0A= Theodore=