Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111522 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16633 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2020 20:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2020 20:23:00 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5B51804D2 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 12:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_NEUTRAL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from xdebug.org (xdebug.org [82.113.146.227]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 12:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC46B10C2F9; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:23:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:23:11 +0100 (BST) X-X-Sender: derick@singlemalt.home.derickrethans.nl To: Sara Golemon cc: Theodore Brown , Benjamin Eberlei , "internals@lists.php.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5cc837df-ab47-628a-d29b-46d7933be973@gmx.net> <3A7CECC3-CDEE-4852-BF4B-4EC7CA1BD538@pmjones.io> User-Agent: Alpine 2.23 (DEB 453 2020-06-18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote: > Derick was trying to be good and meet my beta3 deadline. And I even got that date wrong by a week. Oops. > Fortunately, I gave him that deadline (while thinking RC1) knowing > some kind of bullshit like this would come up and LO AND BEHOLD here > we are. So the good news is that we actually have a spare two weeks. > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:22 AM Theodore Brown > wrote: > > 2. Include a ranked voting option for @: and mention its pros and > > cons (it is equally concise as @@ with no BC break, but is somewhat > > harder to type). Patch link: > > https://github.com/theodorejb/php-src/pull/1 > > Glancing at beberlei's reply, I do agree that @: is coming slightly > out of left field. However, we're using a STV system, so might as > well go wild with the options (within reason). HOWEVER, any option > included is going to need the same care applied as you outline in #3 > and #4 below. I would like to point out that as the main premise of the RFC was that the chosen syntax had no ending delimiter, I would say that any new suggested syntax should have one before I would be willing to consider adding it. > > Derick and Benjamin (and Sara), are these requests reasonable? If > > the RFC follows the discussion period rule and contains all the > > relevant information, I will be much more confident that it is > > resulting in the best long term outcome (and I think this would > > speak for many others on list as well). > > Honestly, the current end date is fine, because the intent of the rule > is met. However, I do like that you're seeking a solution which helps > to put concerns to rest. > > The only part which irks me is that we have 50-some votes already cast > that would be thrown out and have to be redone, and that's on what is > already the 3rd vote on this syntax. > > I'm vote fatigued, personally. However, we're going to have to live > with this syntax forever once it's out, so we should believe that we > believe in it. As I've said, I have no problems with *extending* the time by the week and a bit that I missed. I disagree about having to stop, wipe, and revote. As you said, vote fatigue. cheers, Derick -- PHP 7.4 Release Manager Host of PHP Internals News: https://phpinternals.news Like Xdebug? Consider supporting me: https://xdebug.org/support https://derickrethans.nl | https://xdebug.org | https://dram.io twitter: @derickr and @xdebug