Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111516 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 90197 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2020 15:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2020 15:42:26 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC9C18053D for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com (mail-oi1-f174.google.com [209.85.167.174]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id u24so7195559oic.7 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:42:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joeferguson-me.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=8axhc7BWW2xE20m09auEnh/co8f5bUaKHaPq/ouNYdo=; b=mO/IIyjkoG/NZ2Yx9Fgru/svHTEtlBihG+AEdF+Re6M9FekY08B9Yxbywu7m9wyQC5 oMOYpgZocvBHv6Le48LFqTe27nx4Q+Ju0fDdSU0AqNpy5DGv/tXmWtpfxbTFN8v2XHGv lVxy/T1JqIjY/GmG/HOokYgITpZvOL/RSsvBOrwlmLw3uiuu0xJF12ydKF7+fjePtIJt TVTKWUfc+BjSeKqFLwS34thQZmlaYxfvmZvvUNhfkfyWJY7JmWkynpyAFlPnjI3xB7IT y0zXYdOD3RZyZhy9tlS1ipnskFFPMg8BYGXZIP1yjpJCinhkGKf5LJY20UUXDXBGP50y InZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=8axhc7BWW2xE20m09auEnh/co8f5bUaKHaPq/ouNYdo=; b=j1PCLqCIJ01ES8dSeBNWvhXE4OcFdbPUvFHewJ67evuF0xz3NRJ8eZ1eMgx7AmDxRZ 9NF7AXSzSP65QZ+Y8V5xDU0etpPAYIwA4wGysRNsZYudWHBqg43I7goioG0CQkcaT/vp Su8pbIZqdU3NQwf6qwPlEsHgJE3eSwE2Ih1Pbu41er0E9Xu6x3/dkmudNO2byIFt+L8Y Vp2RRGI7gwgjY1QyDsF18JmWmuiA5HzcmfZumoOWbHg/dgcGn0ONlsS9GbHFVkfJXw6k 9MMDNyQAmdeXaEcW1dGXYP9VBKqZq9Oiz7V7J607hDkFdDgNaHIIuL4gFOlzcvKwhILI NMWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337EpykVyT4emzEro/7mEGq0SamxI4GDJ/WQZTu5Sev4phW71bT fI+QTfeoCLPZq+Hyfevy7D5FS8vgL80LqAAo X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWNORLu0qV/BUYkJ0WiI9QndSBmOMQJXlRZSXQt9QsLRQYb+6WVjd8ddwo1JmPVidFJvSWAw== X-Received: by 2002:aca:3a84:: with SMTP id h126mr1765808oia.125.1597416152749; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.202] (c-75-64-246-197.hsd1.tn.comcast.net. [75.64.246.197]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o3sm1701478oom.26.2020.08.14.07.42.31 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <5cc837df-ab47-628a-d29b-46d7933be973@gmx.net> <3A7CECC3-CDEE-4852-BF4B-4EC7CA1BD538@pmjones.io> Message-ID: <58edf888-bc6d-9175-aa8b-8d05b1fab4ba@joeferguson.me> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 09:42:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change From: joe@joeferguson.me (Joe Ferguson) On 8/14/2020 09:34, Paul M. Jones wrote: > (That presumes the need for the RFC even exists, which I submit it does not -- but that's a separate topic.) The most frustrating part of this entire bike shed and devolution into finger pointing of rule breaking could have all been avoided if Internals had a proper governing body which was capable of empowering release managers to make a decision that the 2nd runner up of the Short Attribute Syntax RFC should have been used when the original implementation raised several questions after the vote. Internals needs governance and the ability to empower decision makers. And a code of conduct (The Python CoC is quite fantastic), but I digress, as to not cause too many simultaneous aneurysms. "The bike shedding will continue until morale improves" Joe Ferguson