Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111504 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50580 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2020 14:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2020 14:47:27 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9421F1804B4 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1597326438; bh=+QCczBMKwdWAafToloJ0Z146Uh9kJvBRs3iI+B1uJdA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NhTrI830k5AHrebykPkAhM++SOiJ2Xlb0UqMp/1gfwhiGP04Aahu9WJyQNMVqE43h MIGdyh5v4/QQtaf8yUh1GIpM2L8zDrqfeztoDPEsHoR+F6CZVV1OTTxis5WxDLR7AI SYUvJFiqU88lteNJr4B1YuWKV0OBazQl6J71tkd4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.120] ([24.134.51.41]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MGz1V-1jtLfR04Xb-00E23V; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:47:18 +0200 To: internals@lists.php.net, theodorejb@outlook.com References: Message-ID: <5cc837df-ab47-628a-d29b-46d7933be973@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:47:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+chRdjjUAH9Jygs1aA+EbcVZcjSSm+wZ/sEnoSQs0GFNB0UGem4 KmhAGikYXchUsm72qzT7gqHXJOUpIiS1kJgpAJ39mNiD/SV2dUY2gQ/mte3BrnR6xHbf2aH t2GOEHsVk6BmJ5j95C//rZFSI6TzJt0pD/dXI5NdqIYghIWzy4GUqh7/YkN0itn+xSmudHE 0gkW5nRlN+stZtQk5AbqA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:w9GqJvJ2060=:MN+Vyat4wKshStYqD/chej 8kdlN8hw+mZiSEI7a60iHp9tqta60K4v9E8YA4kI7i+SJUWdAY6w8KQf2PYP05We2NLnm8rQz VKba6NKZ/Y+aAwY4upY0eRGyFuA4o+dWObCO3h21X4SebW05p+BgDaOwexp7hy57KnAAYOcns QeFaSwFHvB2UrCqCaLyJIlwEgQ7vbWE+MYWPQ9YvWImw3zZED2GXCiVxELmMGSDEBYgL/NysZ pUcFNpaqy9Gng7VsizWUcyIdwXEI5jlPLhyMvKfFzmhOK8sIFafgP2L+w7hmJfnRR5DtVdFTZ GpfwBByEoI3/K9s69iDqzwuGApq6uPDgzTX8t9nCXIS5d2HO/1KnZhc1Pay3JbApxhEIfujlL YDNnM9bQmvvSayKvAQHvsb/As5w//elS8XR/ndvaK+tU3jc+osenGQFe8RsjaUnG6K508g2o0 e35VLhhmU5+Nwnucql6fML1DZcIH54VoMgBJ96g88xFjocID4y7x9mF98eo/VYpLvOwwl2dRZ zDX6IWSyHFnLPsqODzfZvWCJUz0k5D2wJH72I8rqterLIIvMB/qdpy8E63Ynaq10c9XwchJ5f ztqeXHSFEKl/JNgE5VohTcC/d7KIrRqs5sU78ta/pa2JcisCbHVVRZo2cLNmZBMbAvIwMq/wN OdLToF//VtFeuEdSbhVaHEiEU1PSl6QPkW/3WpaoiXDiY6tDzQxHpQjGUIFBZGNlH1xRhXbpp AvWLpoFrxAlRS9y3tw05XGZ58FSDPlm7LwgAWr9+ab8J5P1jNwHkYSpaKxOk65fNBqe3Zdcnc x45c8JmiFGbRwJPmUQKDSjyKQiIIe2f4usOB4Dyku1d63933jF1V24Pzd2wsxpY4yca0URWZ+ qDGCnTlnwumBDPxc/UIdijbH6Hffu59QCMeprcPaItw1mGB3wL2BFGQrW0H/bcaj+9hrZMt9r OFd9SaM7ITeol/hsyQZRuj0W88eM69LOQduWIiiksRKErInDQnHSFJdH8jNErX6r29fV9vjIj EFMMXMbcQLh7hXL+MVd6XOMMO0xdkQTS1ZhZgwICMOrtsxpmN+oeRe0WST0j+97MtFPv9eeWG lAcgp6X0Md65Pn0ctBSbaymwoAQPO9sw2zg09tqr2j0HQdigxRm77SWV3SxBFyxbYc1Djjh0I 3dMRDJFA3RnYc47tVPjc5zQaQV8o8q39gpxI5f2nIvyD+czrWOHFyDgDc7MjULggWGuQnhJ7q gyh1BLC6fxR00x13HK3YH671xkKMTz8/n2hc6Iw== Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change From: a.leathley@gmx.net (Andreas Leathley) On 13.08.20 15:17, Theodore Brown wrote: > The discussion thread you're referencing did not announce an RFC. Per > the voting rules, a "Proposal is formally initiated by creating an > RFC on PHP wiki and announcing it on the list". After that there must > be a minimum two week discussion period before voting starts. The > Shorter Attribute Syntax Change RFC failed to meet this requirement. After reading https://wiki.php.net/rfc/howto it is stated clearly there that an RFC has to be created and be "Under Discussion" for at least two weeks. So you were actually wrong that the RFC was one day early - it was at least 8 days early, as the RFC was created and announced on the 4th of August and then put to vote on the 10th of August. It also states in this document: * Listen to the feedback, and try to answer/resolve all questions * Update your RFC to document all the issues and discussions * Cover both the positive and negative arguments Can anybody say with a straight face that this has been done in this case? Just one example: It still states in the RFC that the ending symbol is inconsistent with the language, although multiple people argued another viewpoint about this part with detailed explanations. This kind of discussion belongs in an RFC to show both sides, not just the one that suits the person writing the RFC.