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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change
From: theodorejb@outlook.com (Theodore Brown)

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 8:37 AM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:=0A=
=0A=
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Theodore Brown wrote:=0A=
> =0A=
> > A second downside of @[] that doesn't appear to have been discussed=0A=
> > yet is typability. On my keyboard, it requires four different keys on=
=0A=
> > different sides of the keyboard, whereas @@ just requires two keys.=0A=
> =0A=
> They're the same on a US English/US International keyboard, both 4=0A=
> presses:=0A=
> =0A=
> For @@: Shift 2 Shift 2=0A=
> For @[]: Shift 2 [ ]=0A=
> =0A=
> In the case of @[], an IDE likely will automatically add the=0A=
> closing ].=0A=
> =0A=
> Additionally, on a US English/US International keybaord, Shift-2 (for @)=
=0A=
> is an awkward combination to type with the pinky and middle finger of=0A=
> your left hand.=0A=
> =0A=
> On a UK English, it's the same amount, with the @ a little easier than=0A=
> on a US English one, with: left-shift @/' [ ]=0A=
> =0A=
> So if you want to add typeability to the matrix, I can do that, but @@=0A=
> comes out worse.=0A=
=0A=
How does @@ come out worse?=0A=
=0A=
For @@: Shift, double-@=0A=
For @[]: Shift, @, left bracket=0A=
=0A=
Even if your IDE autocompletes the closing bracket, @@ is faster to=0A=
type than @[] on common qwerty layouts. Also, it is easier to mistype=0A=
@[ as @] (I kept doing this multiple times when typing this reply).=0A=
=0A=
Anyway, please do add easy typeability to the matrix, along with the=0A=
fact that the @@ syntax makes attributes easier to grep for. These=0A=
should have been in the matrix from the start, given that both were=0A=
mentioned as factors in the Shorter Attribute Syntax RFC.=0A=
=0A=
When I originally wrote the Shorter Attribute Syntax RFC, I wasn't=0A=
aware that it was allowed to re-vote on failed syntax options without=0A=
waiting at least 6 months. Otherwise I would have included an option=0A=
to re-vote for the @: syntax.=0A=
=0A=
Since apparently this is allowed now, can we also add @: as a voting=0A=
option? I have a patch for it here: https://github.com/theodorejb/php-src/p=
ull/1=0A=
=0A=
It seems pretty clear that the vote should be restarted anyway,=0A=
given that the RFC has already been heavily edited multiple times=0A=
after the voting started.=0A=
=0A=
Kind regards,  =0A=
Theodore=