Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111417 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 27803 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2020 10:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2020 10:16:30 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC3A1804AA for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 02:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f49.google.com (mail-io1-f49.google.com [209.85.166.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 02:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f49.google.com with SMTP id j8so8122214ioe.9 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 02:15:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1ojydtO1T5J7ZU7n/XiIpgVHYLUZmFNMunvxPPwE3Q8=; b=dSFLWGhKQoy5dhR3OT5gNxOWTM2fTtzoxh7PPnYpl3K7Na2/LgAXEuZJoOr9rMx4sd PwoN8UvRvrwp6AVQeIHXwXCkVV8+mhTMcHjB/dsqRo3VmqdI/5xCIUQIPMrGj4KyPgf/ l0GskRSuecI+awIz6wxjHVZii8phfANbaQqnDd8UHjex1Ync5pkuMg6JRFb2PepZhJ4B DddpmZMwM/jCbC4BWFbIRdA3KJWa6JUiLBdj7+gqQSoT0sHEZ5KshrH0wdK4uQdb+mny qdR0yiD0WFxLH23qgpQsnHdljdkOHh+nBW8cruSrV+6OIK6HWjHPMHxzq18S+6yXoMxy jRgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=1ojydtO1T5J7ZU7n/XiIpgVHYLUZmFNMunvxPPwE3Q8=; b=CiZkd1udSd833tCJMP8KALzsrYOM8dr8R6opkzbiEjnh1JKwc7iGVa4IhjgzNvM8YA KAuOXsiJ5pJf9ZDBN/t66mkhdyb4MKIGP2z47DLj9sUDyu3ez7zh9JrBZ9RxauUA/c54 lZn0ElUsoVdLdTxETC3tBsxsvdbfmdXq/qPGJ/l4sq9Eq2ArK7W35BYeqW9x2ZsuNVWG 9tDGhdrsOjaGAXOH/fZ2zJg2hn/gPErWdxmYJRiu2ZCTW4GDiu6vc9lo/vUVuI2QAkh9 cY5wI3HNp/kuKjBOjp5GsQCV/XRe8ZgaNPUfp4Eh0q4rAdyI1E6OYtE0IuiN0Ldchd84 zpaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531AwZAyi0ngOpuzq+sm4TELPPjVZ39Jf/Ipxf0CwmE9SmHNEwCC vwDSYDY+AnbWKCz34L34y+VF/n4CyYqaWldJSJGP5Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJybm11q/8ksZ6WeWs8kpUkD8nigiH9MEKHMU3NNCC8zfQp4flJ4udhnWIF1Z5luTeQYNhF1lpyRGlMBhxB9f8Y= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:1406:: with SMTP id t6mr3931015iov.184.1597050935714; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 02:15:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:15:25 +0100 Message-ID: To: PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b62ee005ac826525" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) --000000000000b62ee005ac826525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 09:41, Derick Rethans wrote: > I've just opened the vote to make sure we don't make a terrible mistake > with using the @@ syntax for attributes: > > [...] > > Please have a objective look at the table > (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shorter_attribute_syntax_change#proposal) and > don't just go by asthetics. > Hi Derick, I am not a fan of the @@ syntax, and respect what you're trying to do with this RFC, but am disappointed you haven't engaged with those of us who said that the RFC needs more detail. There is simply not enough information in that table to "have an objective look", and the only other text in the RFC makes a vague assertion about the lack of ending symbol which I still don't understand the significance of. If I had a vote, I would vote "No" in the primary vote, not because I think the current syntax is perfect, but because I don't think this RFC makes a good case for a revote, and strongly suspect it will just be another beauty contest. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] --000000000000b62ee005ac826525--