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Thread-Index: AQHWbRq8b3YGpTZGLkaf/kd2FACAdA== Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 00:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-CA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:DC140ECA1D394FAE75C69778E8A726F57E119E492AB3256D694062EDBD3663B3;UpperCasedChecksum:E053D603D720BDDEA57694632E9A2CE8F6BF1A3272D19C5D834ED9CD6DA7EC9F;SizeAsReceived:6896;Count:41 x-tmn: [Lb4e9Nn9X1zmCYy0Ubs6VPt2LcbGaKZA5aU2a6M5QbHao07UdwcTVdjZN30LBctZ] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 866bdb29-98e6-405e-afb3-08d83b351653 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6NAM11HT090: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: VpwBIXmE6EKNea04C+zw6bXnSjvBp/SVfvpRSsd6WkXQZN+13+Wj6gYmlNqlTTDC3AMT21kJbdSVqRlpNYlogs+4nc0OC7OmvR/FUb7Atb106lFmu6hMP98XwspxyXH1fe+v8MNjcbotW9SkBvSqWGh7t09QSYLxnMOZhlH0K89yQNC/zWDr5RQQ7+Mo6S+MEGUHf08UiLPWeZLOF9aFYuSUpu0bT4sDS0JIBmCgvs64kDAAPP9IfjMxoTITdThR x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255;CTRY:;LANG:en;SCL:0;SRV:;IPV:NLI;SFV:NSPM;H:DM6PR07MB6618.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;PTR:;CAT:NONE;SFTY:;SFS:;DIR:OUT;SFP:1901; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 376pPwt/zwoPGT5DGHoz7ONtO1DIkv7ZUI4kHsO4VBfQuY+xPCTm3FQcr/JqIJjoTzFRd1cE1f7aui31QUnt6g3ha90kYni4Vxnm0pPmswJkHlPmW3WVqVSzOQZlz73rOkavf/f8GgcFMZBsT5RTFopEtGGMu/lNOOFCzRKVjLFi5jsDhPkiFmojz/Z9Ck2dzV8Ca9YMNqxu8YBqD3vPYw== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM6NAM11FT040.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 866bdb29-98e6-405e-afb3-08d83b351653 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Aug 2020 00:50:46.6134 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6NAM11HT090 Subject: Proposal: shorthand syntax for initializing arbitrary-precision ("bigint") numbers? From: tysonandre775@hotmail.com (tyson andre) Hi internals,=0A= =0A= https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Ob= jects/BigInt=0A= was a similar approach another dynamically typed language recently took to= =0A= support convenient arbitrary precision.=0A= =0A= What are your thoughts on making `123_456_000_000_000_000_000_000n` a short= hand for `gmp_init('123456000000000000000000')` (or a call with equivalent = results)=0A= (similar to existing backtick string syntax is a shorthand for `shell_exec(= )`)=0A= =0A= GMP objects already overrides numeric operators. (but having number-like sy= ntax would make code using those more readable)=0A= =0A= Supporting bigints as anything other than explicitly different objects in P= HP's type system=0A= seemed from a discussion thread 5 years ago to have several drawbacks - htt= ps://externals.io/message/77863 :=0A= =0A= - Native bigints by default as a result of integer operations would cause a= B.C. break for extensions for=0A= php user code relying on float behavior. The way that division would be h= andled would change, for example.=0A= - Decrease in performance was seen during a patch being worked on 5 years a= go to automatically convert overflowing integer operations to big integers= =0A= - Requirement to update opcache's inferences to support big integers=0A= =0A= A prototype implementation is available at https://github.com/php/php-src/p= ull/5930=0A= which goes into more details about implementation concerns, licensing of GM= P, and other drawbacks of representing them as a GMP/BigInt class instance = instead of something separate from regular objects.=0A= =0A= - Tyson=