Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111216 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56407 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2020 14:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2020 14:35:34 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FBC1804E6 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lj1-f171.google.com (mail-lj1-f171.google.com [209.85.208.171]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f171.google.com with SMTP id q6so21126279ljp.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:31:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LNc4VEpr/0cpShQYtbQcVOO+qCKpp2C7o67WFh04hgA=; b=ARF1EUzw9eXIq+1r90ucz0jRiNIF9IAqLlflOa5QAGlvSC/bWrs7bd4K/+6dnD4wq2 yECJExTAWcPlSnkE7cqGRHeuMo+T+Z//zPROx8ScEYLFgcSgxv7v4okRRrHKBfOJTc6M kQexbngWVQqVFp/9TYsd5jSRFoQMi7a7olNmei42SZ28eUjcaBGvJOzG+dn7xcgYxuhj qM1SAK9lxZpoysUuf0YXKt18PYbOKX9NZM7gZmYErdid2eaIy/UHUkU6wJ6nZtlSz+Af MsZrm3uCe167gYWpW9oPfr46xSGP8lTUhgsjfaVcJYl/8X5qareTjrS6OI00r8E9SDuG NXuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LNc4VEpr/0cpShQYtbQcVOO+qCKpp2C7o67WFh04hgA=; b=jfSWoowherwyuDxiSBPwPV7njMVhuM3mghfabD/zPedcprjHCTb+c2NRDNm04SHlIe 8+/mXpNnHvvGnEKTCRwKipVfkBW+g6GJqV92MX+hI9ZeNrilAxVpwqX334kiReN7fdX6 nNLJaJ1LATvvOB17ZFw1Lr+6L2E6C0ebHhpbbRZfG2tZdEIM+OJ19QN28H8UMxT3aD3A rtaWqaMGJb+eR5q4iGH18UU64BuifUtqizmPzbESqRcDtN37hPnDXTv7ANF/Ya/2dHpZ oG3Jil/WxJaLU//kNZyPA86wtDei7JqJ9XkT1Kp1QyRSO+Ej85FC7HL3yYVNTvPim5Wi WAOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531/+MHB3OZYqYniZ/tKEEXuFD6WengQzzB/QjwEJx8G/6YotahP r3rK+j+11ZKz7D+G/Rae6jhmzqwwXhDRpeEYmlM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHmMF8i0JtAJGvNHeWLsFhMH4r+uDgFu6iFvvqkZK0W7VWMVhqalLwMs7KMTo7myoxkHWiAHpbqQxt5fydBQk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8707:: with SMTP id m7mr11935276lji.350.1595943086650; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5f192da8.1c69fb81.1600e.098eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:31:10 +0200 Message-ID: To: Sara Golemon Cc: Mark Randall , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2fa8905ab807406" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it? From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov) --000000000000c2fa8905ab807406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:46 PM Sara Golemon wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:19 AM Sara Golemon wrote: > > > If that's the case, then the solution still seems obvious: Defer > > attributes to 8.1. > > > > After some discussion off list, including Nikita (who is probably closer > to this "problem" than any of the rest of us), I think the best way forward > at the moment is to proceed with the voted on action: Merge attributes > using @@ syntax prior to the feature freeze date. > Done. However, with my RM hat on, I need to feel like we're as sure as we can be > about this syntax before it's public. > I'm willing to extend an additional period (up to the tagging of beta3, in > just under six weeks) for a re-vote on the syntax as changing that will be > less violent of a change than merging the entire implementation after > branching. > So, does anyone plan to pursue this? Nikita --000000000000c2fa8905ab807406--