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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:40:55 -0500
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To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
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	Chris Riley <t.carnage@gmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Proposal] Renamed parameters
From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:10 AM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You added PHP 8.0 as a proposed version, but that will not be possible
> > > anymore 2 weeks of discussion + 2 weeks of voting are not possible to
fit
> > > in before the feature freeze, which is in 11 days.
> >
> > While you are technically correct, the primary point of a feature freeze
> > is not allowing in completely new features.
> > It will always happen that there are changes and extensions to RFCs
> > introduced for the next version which may need to be addressed first,
> > because there is massive benefit to the new feature in that case. (from
a
> > backwards/forwards compatibility standpoint for example)
> >
> We should of course be open to making minor adjustments due to
> unanticipated issues after feature freeze -- after all, that's where we
> gain experience with new features. The emphasis here is very much on
> *minor* and *unanticipated* though.
>

Endorsing this.  Anything post FF needs to be held to a high standard.
Minor and Unanticipated changes.
* The option to set alt-names on parameters is substantial.
 * Making named params explicitly opt-in is less substantial (though
certainly not trivial), especially if it were hung off an attribute which
would mean no actual new syntax, but Niki's point that it wasn't an unknown
or unanticipated issue stands.

I share OP's worry that this pushes workload onto library and framework
maintainers, and I wouldn't look forward to the review of all APIs to make
sure their names are correct, but the vote has spoken.  We should
absolutely continue pursuing this topic with an eye to 8.1 so that library
updates are less painful moving forward.

-Sara

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