Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111128 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45293 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2020 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E73018053F for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:43:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from outbound.soverin.net (outbound.soverin.net [116.202.65.215]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.freedom.nl (unknown [10.10.3.36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ABF6600E9; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.freedom.nl (smtp.freedom.nl [116.202.65.211]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freedom.nl; s=default; t=1595436230; bh=Gv83YYacRAFJpgCcDv8RlxYotMLNvRzEsBE2a+D5GuU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lLiGGsw4sUlObvZBw5pMy0M5dMiF9pJil8uyvesZ+30hhIojB1j8BilptpwJULMSE FGnV0+/8fLI0XYzG+SXeArk8ZiLR5oXT13amIgkF5Sp0oqUphszHtkFO0YtW1xAbCY LhtQMmj06Y/IUF+lFqiGDTVYMkA+4hoz8S8Ts3fY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freedom.nl; s=default; t=1595436231; bh=Gv83YYacRAFJpgCcDv8RlxYotMLNvRzEsBE2a+D5GuU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=tEFNJgV2PJ377Xmwc4w12uj0i1VEcdFxSPzdW99zt2JyPGhsuT2klGDZUaDl1e+PL N8f6kMi8uzdojsHhFKLhJkTWULZNPFkK6BH1L6mJkpM85XNWrl1KMdd1l/rNwlWJVa 7XWxhaPCijtVRsgdZ1koyfWBv3wZfcyQkUE0dhnk= To: Joe Ferguson , Gabriel Caruso Cc: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List , Sara Golemon References: Autocrypt: addr=d.h.j.takken@freedom.nl; keydata= xjMEXimHTRYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAzvRUI24yOGvteVk9N6VKIt425fNgg0P1rvD2WQLGP+fN JERpayBUYWtrZW4gPGQuaC5qLnRha2tlbkBmcmVlZG9tLm5sPsKtBBMWCAA+FiEEvtrj9qG2 TA2YmjvLhef0X6cSlpAFAl4ph00CGwMFCQlmAYAFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AA IQkQhef0X6cSlpAWIQS+2uP2obZMDZiaO8uF5/RfpxKWkPywAQChh9Z1jSvitkT3sIipwMlk dnUlYY5Ue3lHBBhF6pQUOwD/XtEz/fsjvqE/GpjJhXpxNodwKjLhaUiFe9qRwwH/5QXOOARe KYdNEgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdAMNSCUI0PnOjjrFKZDAFRQzKLVDCINuFNgsXh0snmlUwDAQgH wpUEGBYIACYWIQS+2uP2obZMDZiaO8uF5/RfpxKWkAUCXimHTQIbDAUJCWYBgAAhCRCF5/Rf pxKWkBYhBL7a4/ahtkwNmJo7y4Xn9F+nEpaQEYUA/2mZ3uEN0JTRUZbxHGBMB4IhQw0cdIML FpFrTycqUCXCAQD5rWXomBWVD/DRHk7O3KjNsek9F1DEZgGeZ5pPmNF/Dg== Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:43:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at c03mi01 X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it? From: d.h.j.takken@freedom.nl (Dik Takken) On 22-07-2020 16:45, Joe Ferguson wrote: > I would be happy to author an RFC on replacing @@ with #[] but based on > Larry's comments it sounds like the weighted voting already solved this > issue for us? We as internals just need to decide that @@ isn't a solution > and defer to the next ranked vote? I'd be the first one to +1. That means we effectively disregard the preferences of the ones who voted for the @@ syntax. We do not know what the @@ voters would have chosen if the choice was between << >> and #[]. In case the @@ voters have a preference for << >> the result could turn out differently. The only way to know is to take another vote. Regards, Dik Takken