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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:35 -0500
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To: Gabriel Caruso <carusogabriel@php.net>
Cc: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>, PHP Developers Mailing List <internals@lists.php.net>, 
	Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it?
From: joe@joeferguson.me (Joe Ferguson)

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Hello, Internals,

I would be happy to author an RFC on replacing @@ with #[] but based on
Larry's comments it sounds like the weighted voting already solved this
issue for us? We as internals just need to decide that @@ isn't a solution
and defer to the next ranked vote? I'd be the first one to +1.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:38 AM Gabriel Caruso <carusogabriel@php.net>
wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 14:00, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know we've voted twice on this already, but are we really sure that
> > the @@ syntax is a good idea?
> >
> > - There are lots of grumbles, both on here, room 11, as well as in the
> >   wider community (https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/hjpu79/it_is/)
> > - It has the distinct possibility to cause further parsing issues, akin
> >   to what ended up happening with what Nikita is addressing at
> >   https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaced_names_as_token
> > - There is no "end symbol" to make finding occurences easier.
> > - It is a syntax *no other language* uses.
> > - @ is never going to go away, so the possibility of @@ moving to @ is
> >   also 0.
> >
> > Please, let's do the sensible and use the Rusty #[...] syntax.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Derick
> >
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> Hello Derick.
>
> I do understand your concerns, and I appreciate that you've reached out.
>
> Although we are very close to the Feature Freeze date for PHP 8.0 (
> https://wiki.php.net/todo/php80), I wouldn't mind opening an exception for
> this specific case and let you (or someone), create an RFC proposing to
> change the syntax of Attributes (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/attributes_v2),
> and that only!
>
> I'm copying PHP 8.0's Release Manager Sara, to hear her opinion on this as
> well.
>
> -- Gabriel Caruso
>


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