Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111113 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98698 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 14:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2020 14:04:00 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C8A1804C8 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452D845A for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap26 ([10.202.2.76]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:58:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=BtQSZr O+YXajdwVZ8ystswcWOSmd+Bz0Qo1xhKr9usQ=; b=mQzT5NCWGLCrqCHgqbtb6Y WazMqtidc3oYvw5gxeq6S6BxSTWhrv9ScUnQ7THtvjCBF8L4zomWkX8BvCkrpeNT O7ChIjQJtyQw2wcvaey4RwjOhndauz7MF4mId1+otDDuI0lqXBf9n3oOz7SDsHSB JtfefqS6Errh8xXjV9+qLV6eQZZRe0Eph1Jes5aoLOqPMKiKSJX7PukByXmWW6P6 g3KEON+Lgn8nz3t6OsH5692yHwEkQ5edrqHbtQ/hSDRkIP3ZENGsXQESvlJZY4Q0 SOcU0inOuFeUo8JoCB+kI2P5xEZzbpP6+M/mq8UYcZBazCJrbCltchxVLsOJv9RA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrgeelgdehlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgrrhhr hicuifgrrhhfihgvlhgufdcuoehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgeelgfekudeivddvteffueejffdthfejieevhefgffek udevkedtvdelvddvffefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomheplhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 97FC914200A2; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-92-g11c785d-fm-20200721.004-g11c785d5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <25df7339-2acc-4ca3-b2b2-390d8f5ab908@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0E082DE8-6862-44AC-A398-D43B8806DB8D@stitcher.io> References: <0E082DE8-6862-44AC-A398-D43B8806DB8D@stitcher.io> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:58:05 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it? From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 7:49 AM, Brent Roose wrote: > Doesn't it make the most sense to re-vote the syntax? I'd consider the > previous vote to be invalid given the parsing issues that weren't > listed in the RFC. > > A re-vote seems the most fair: if the majority still prefers @@, then > so be it. Otherwise the syntax changes once again, before > feature-freeze. I suppose the RMs should have a final say in this > descision? > > Kind regards > Brent One of the advantages of having conducted it as a ranked-choice-vote is that we can easily disqualify the @@ option and then recount with just the other two, counting @@ supporters' second choice. No new vote is needed, unless we think a significant number of people would have changed their minds between << >> and #[ ] since then. (I think that's unlikely, personally.) IIRC, it looked like #[ ] would win that runoff but it's easy enough to recompute and be sure. I agree this is ultimately an RM decision for how to proceed; my recommendation would be to Make A Call(tm) if the parsing issues of @@ are significant enough to disqualify it, and if so, recompute the vote as above and go with the result. @@ may be easier to type than the others, but at the end of the day the parsing problems it introduces seem like the killer blow to me. --Larry Garfield