Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111112 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95983 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 13:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2020 13:55:43 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEAD1804E6 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAA2C42 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap26 ([10.202.2.76]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:50:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=3wh+WdY6qjqFj45Kyu3OdVUK87Cg+Yn5AEIsdtzSv 2E=; b=YRfUngKaC29g5ALQnIv4NPtvTz14maZKd7EGzGOeRVbPnu6w1WgMaLmD0 ArbrcVXmunSkQJg838BxT9I6jRYXNExRlr0Sr/MEfe+spWbJuxXdGetCplq/vYgH yUFJ5LeIpN8mL/74mRn4D9uzXocoEcv2xUdug9sQyEsPfLZuwOpY79IsX9bo74k3 KsARJn6qgUv5aOBYFrJDXUc4fE+l2eA84kjs9TN1vrKTFSQYzHsJ/hpQP70+SBfQ Qc1jLsIbugfHbCl01Qvc7utM0svYdVWoMLaKq7Qok3UYx6FbV+n3rBqXCcNXYmrO bBVItLnKPHBuo998y/su/yIHhirmw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrgeelgdehkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenog fuuhhsphgvtghtffhomhgrihhnucdlgeelmdenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgt gfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghrrhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolh grrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeh ffelueekjeeitefgveetjeekhfdvledugefhudfhudeugeffgeeftdfhheevueenucffoh hmrghinhepsghithdrlhihpdhgihhthhhusgdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigv pedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvg gthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8AC9414200A2; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-92-g11c785d-fm-20200721.004-g11c785d5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1bc7759a-63b8-4b96-bb69-97b50f851307@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <21C5073D-3F39-49DA-8686-E027AE780793@joshbruce.dev> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:49:42 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[PHP-DEV]_Re:_[RFC][Discussion]_Objects_can_be_declared_fa?= =?UTF-8?Q?lsifiable?= From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Josh Bruce wrote: > Learning more everyday. This thread will be the =E2=80=9Cofficial thre= ad=E2=80=9D -=20 > other related threads have been added to the RFC (including one from 1= 1=20 > years ago): https://bit.ly/php-0002-rfc >=20 > Created fork - with PR on fork to explore and leave notes without=20 > hitting the mailing list with every little thing:=20 > https://github.com/joshbruce/php-src/pull/1=20 > >=20 > Will be letting this cool down for the recommended two weeks while I=20= > learn the things and PHP 8 is prepared for release. >=20 > Not sure if this should be put up for a vote before or after the=20 > implementation based on what I=E2=80=99ve read so. Seems the recommend= ation is=20 > the vote first - unless sample implementation seems like it would be=20= > helpful. I think it would; so, will proceed on the implementation=20 > course pending feedback. >=20 > Thanks again for all the feedback, questions, and concerns! >=20 > Cheers, > Josh I'd say it's bad form to call a vote on something without at least a par= tial implementation and a path to finish the implementation. Otherwise,= even if it passes it may not happen and that's just all kinds of confus= ing. The code doesn't have to be perfect, but at least enough to demons= trate it can be done and won't cause a 50% performance regression. That= also gives voters confidence that if the RFC passes the code will actua= lly get completed by the people that proposed it, rather than just expec= ting someone else to magically do it for them. --Larry Garfield