Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111106 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87529 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2020 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB6E1804C8 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-io1-f49.google.com (mail-io1-f49.google.com [209.85.166.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f49.google.com with SMTP id z6so2365652iow.6 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:39:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MJDdBb7P1nu3voT9LF3ozZfXYMNHvdZj8GkLa8sutv4=; b=ZmyrmRF4eRgFB3EjDOVJymcmaszgY1BMGiAk5LwzmhuBqieICyWPoOinbeMIhV+BAs 8ar3k9SiHBnBTI84vRAD0+yK9WvSkdWFwDDCN1nNTlq0y5s9j4zCO22MWqXkjeBQIN2D T/z2iPUgwZcHIjBgpRYdhG/L5gL09jexFm9orZOo3hIlcmiHUiuGl5buG/ZE9oFcF1D8 +aI+YNnYI4rx1b4zY21uxOVU3tKtu7ohcuDiDFXLUOzs6jj+P72AMpp8ntZqpO8c6eqB RTirzUVivMsU/mhBSQ2vI3h8ffY3rdIIHr5nKMmCwQkfJFQ1sBY1i9bXXYdaNDULLg/p eSzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MJDdBb7P1nu3voT9LF3ozZfXYMNHvdZj8GkLa8sutv4=; b=AFn1p2zojdzpSdBxLoffU1zk3W2rjSi9V2gGP0m9EBleGsP4kiZk/hpKdTFHZ2Ko01 FfjUQ/t/BGQxsnfQQYlLegWtZa18cQ4e5XMIb5TK34katdNdnubTUCctDRckg9K2ZLc/ nTJZ5gAhdzuW3fvXbBzUT6lcXjNQsCSCJ1giD/ZEjo7i0gC6DRJzBEe51eJI8kAJar5U DjJyEm0Abd3RQfTwlJWeDznJ3akoxywLlp/Amla/DqcYO3GzyU/Th7ZCO+zWRTI6SghK xVRjU1AJGiYS9OSwLa+K11ThzYYyER0XM78yv2ycCQrWeX0ARwqv1VfD3YEMwwG+FLQB FiWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337/+CS4QwAGho4rSWW0DMntgCS46W39SdTsGZqR82ifAjz3Wko 7KiCKjmrYfH5jDnqD6r6svtHZRZ727DKulfE5zk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvI7a+Udj/OW1CNVko082g5JjLlYnFF7mAD5KAvbGopy0Zz2z1efQsS0niMKg5a+uszU27sEGQemlFNsIl5Ic= X-Received: by 2002:a02:108a:: with SMTP id 132mr38517340jay.131.1595421584650; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:39:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Derick Rethans Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d1f63f05ab0708e1" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it? From: deleugyn@gmail.com (Deleu) --000000000000d1f63f05ab0708e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Terrible" is the amount of humans having their lives taken by a pandemic. This is at most slightly inconvenient for you. The aggressive tone in this discussion is extremely unnecessary. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:00 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > Hi all, > > I know we've voted twice on this already, but are we really sure that > the @@ syntax is a good idea? > > - There are lots of grumbles, both on here, room 11, as well as in the > wider community (https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/hjpu79/it_is/) > - It has the distinct possibility to cause further parsing issues, akin > to what ended up happening with what Nikita is addressing at > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaced_names_as_token > - There is no "end symbol" to make finding occurences easier. > - It is a syntax *no other language* uses. > - @ is never going to go away, so the possibility of @@ moving to @ is > also 0. > > Please, let's do the sensible and use the Rusty #[...] syntax. > > cheers, > Derick > > -- > PHP 7.4 Release Manager > Host of PHP Internals News: https://phpinternals.news > Like Xdebug? Consider supporting me: https://xdebug.org/support > https://derickrethans.nl | https://xdebug.org | https://dram.io > twitter: @derickr and @xdebug > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --=20 Marco Aur=C3=A9lio Deleu --000000000000d1f63f05ab0708e1--