Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:111105 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85342 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2020 13:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2020 13:36:16 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DB11804C8 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-oi1-f173.google.com (mail-oi1-f173.google.com [209.85.167.173]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f173.google.com with SMTP id x83so1681788oif.10 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mg/8i5BjDAV7nQ5Yjp1EehSNsQksJZO0wq0l3tvQt94=; b=em3q61deg3ahAc6tRGAzodfhLMfY1ly4hvjliMjlG/bI4iI7XymKhTGoNNjdIlpJWb rTJgaK4vrcL7n8mtDXGFh98tNJfV4RJHjj0iAkd69YRRYvKQLbeLM00Riic2lplXJvSn /6iaE826pfkIybBm7XyHinB7SSB34x5K22R7ezttYtrXwhEtHHpTVuhumcaBdAlmF8D4 chSeQY4+Tup8ix7KCI4eRIPKajpEIV2D9edtc2pUmMxH3qZNmkLQ5ycuE+3sMaeGXXms U2EekmD8TxKRqyR+ZFWfjGYJoWALHpOa9A/tSvQDBqpfXtRY/Tu5fxTYcpDNS+9j/EQ+ 6hmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mg/8i5BjDAV7nQ5Yjp1EehSNsQksJZO0wq0l3tvQt94=; b=JdFqoFBaITm643fWTeiDPH3XJpI5l/f+axjtbbZdyDed34SK1ikeo6c2UbL8DlyeK7 8jJn4bTctNWgj6A1KkSh5rDntXCadruTMSO4hBLcQ9RfRqfCMU52z7cZGznXWVUYrBef E5A5o02DC3HxmKkqVZ4pypoJDDdWmzK1mmPZUdVxQMsSHJKbHHH7PI3q2GTy3uQZ5CTb ejO3fo8COgVDfJBgnZfRtQq/VN77u3tjhfmB+vJTdIx7IkQAZm/11pQbdppR/lI2u/er lCVlBXAGCNtArsydWeUq1EtchbQ+o+ADNghEds/IsAuLBEliXR61SQiwqOiZrxUEWA5D LXog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533lqeZ9seGg0spF+yG6snQO6GMWWwkRQ6PyebTm3332NqmTJgNn 9egdTcOhSdaMUlREY2HTlBK5qI/cntYXXq3/YGiT8cFdpek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxoAmkuTmCIL0uu79rvRxgZZuv4OHEcAYrXtRsXpXjdPE3vANWwnykexTAw59sFzDR8zU6U7/hIxWHkG+jeAV0= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4ec1:: with SMTP id c184mr7068321oib.112.1595421041200; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:30:29 +0200 Message-ID: To: Derick Rethans Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006d938005ab06e863" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The @@ is terrible, are we sure we're OK with it? From: michal.brzuchalski@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Marcin_Brzuchalski?=) --0000000000006d938005ab06e863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Derick, =C5=9Br., 22 lip 2020 o 14:00 Derick Rethans napisa=C5=82(= a): > Hi all, > > I know we've voted twice on this already, but are we really sure that > the @@ syntax is a good idea? > > - There are lots of grumbles, both on here, room 11, as well as in the > wider community (https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/hjpu79/it_is/) > - It has the distinct possibility to cause further parsing issues, akin > to what ended up happening with what Nikita is addressing at > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaced_names_as_token > - There is no "end symbol" to make finding occurences easier. > - It is a syntax *no other language* uses. > - @ is never going to go away, so the possibility of @@ moving to @ is > also 0. > > Please, let's do the sensible and use the Rusty #[...] syntax. > I agree with all the above arguments. Is there a place (before feature-freeze) and a way to revote it? What should be the procedure then? Does it mean the RFC process has an issue and how could it be fixed? Cheers, Micha=C5=82 --0000000000006d938005ab06e863--