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To: "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [CONCEPT][DISCUSSION] Allow objects to declareemptiness
 and by extension truthiness
From: josh@joshbruce.dev (Josh Bruce)


> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> =
wrote:
>=20
> On 13.07.2020 at 17:18, Josh Bruce wrote:
>=20
>> Re the wiki: I can edit pages now, it doesn=E2=80=99t look like I can =
create them. There=E2=80=99s another thread I=E2=80=99ve been watching =
and I think I need more karma to make that a thing. I will continue =
working on this and if it generates enough pull then maybe I=E2=80=99ll =
be let in - I=E2=80=99ll also contribute where I can to start earning =
karma.
>=20
> You have RFC karma now.

Christoph: Wow, okay. Thank you!

All: I=E2=80=99ve decided to go ahead and do one more round using GitHub =
(big changes - kind of a synthesis of directions so far based on =
feedback).

Then I=E2=80=99ll spend time transferring it to a draft (or =
discussion??) and making sure I understand the process more than I do at =
present.

Nikita:

Re falsiness: Switching back to being more about truthiness and =
falsiness. Thanks for the feedback.

Re nullsafe: I agree that nullsafe handles the issue of null being =
returned and it=E2=80=99s a welcomed workaround, but it doesn=E2=80=99t =
address the problem of null being returned instead of a false (empty) =
object of the desired type that can be acted upon - even if limited.

Brings up the new question again: Under what circumstances would PHP =
return null without a developer explicitly asking it to (somewhere in =
the call chain) or without PHP error?

Cheers,
Josh