Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110863 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57281 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2020 16:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2020 16:11:59 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458BA18050A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS11403 64.147.123.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFF48D9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 11:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap26 ([10.202.2.76]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 07 Jul 2020 11:02:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=foa1K9Q14gJvT0qTLPANhOiGbB2/dZaYPlN6CVKkr a8=; b=CQ/7B9z5kSpjXPx/N3aj6vVbSj3xTfFsHotag5qPX6GNOaUIj2J7T7loC Bm5ahxzb2FevCuAzlplZbdBruPrpxV/xKpHy0XZkPTlNOOO7mXg6YQBvc6GaQ27x BVYAa8Jn10YNby1bf6dn/YHrt2w7S11A8T1zoU7aOTZkv1Vbx3ia0YijRZJ+p6ez jkiD9uEkbBV+6yIITmeAUSg2X9IPfMhPggltoZWKvbvA2QG26+BR9xg+mIel6hGV zykpe45Z5Je5LcHrO1IuyJ73dM6HO1S8eNtLOnkDQlTsrv6bWyhzq7DEp8AiNkhi KsV9HLic/w/gyAYf49TVjoO673waw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrudehgdejkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtgfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghr rhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeffffffjeffudfggeevvdeitdetvdfgjefffeffjeel feejteevheeghffhvdfgleenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmh grihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0A2DE14200A2; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 11:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-dev0-576-gfe2cd66-fm-20200629.001-gfe2cd668 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3ea6fb8c-b088-463b-b5be-cecf6056f89b@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:02:20 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property write visibility From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, at 2:35 AM, Andr=C3=A9 R=C3=B8mcke wrote: > > > > ergonomic, and in the case of magic method usage improve performance= . > >> > > > > I think this is a good direction to explore, but would recommend del= aying > > it until PHP 8.1. As the RFC and discussion note, the design space h= ere > > overlaps significantly with both readonly/immutability and property > > accessors. We should take enough time to consider these > > alternatives/extensions as well, to ensure that we don't end up with= > > multiple distinct and possibly incompatible mechanisms. We don't hav= e that > > time before PHP 8.0 feature freeze. > > >=20 >=20 > I've updated the RFC to rather aim for 8.1, I fully agree this should = in > any form be made asure to align well with the related requests. Larrye= 's > email is a good example of what kind the language might look like when= > several such features are potentially accepted in the future. >=20 > May I propose that some of us interested in this do a short call over = the > summer on this topic to see if we can align on direction? I'm open to that. Explicit design process FTW. --Larry Garfield