Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:110859 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84324 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2020 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2020 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF731804C7 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 00:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lj1-f176.google.com (mail-lj1-f176.google.com [209.85.208.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 00:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f176.google.com with SMTP id d17so34016851ljl.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 00:35:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gz9Wo7LjVbqMSvYT6zNtuRc8mqJFqz23BeYMZC/qFdM=; b=j6faqgcYvYsycUvM0jsj68iZOYKStjc8nWfkfA7ewFN1IJhYcHbo+dTnifYH1DD50M M2yQPVzPFQNiM3sXZ2BFznk3my831luHBI/qKfaSOewW55SJQUBONvBXl53ZjlvkXn+k 9I+I3R8MNG4Yf1nJqPYBMU1iw5cOONxvAtrpc0/jsoLtcxBhb4IeE0EEzU7CSgpI+ftd afsz//iTXZowZf5428pa/Fxq25mlCju4Siyv8b3WLwR9FcsvA4UX65/xqg2GL3wZ/CfJ lRHQmyRO20H5EWDSAJNeLmf0GO+oyIeI1+7NFJVBlydhvz6k/7GFcYE5f3tL7LnUO2FN 8SLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gz9Wo7LjVbqMSvYT6zNtuRc8mqJFqz23BeYMZC/qFdM=; b=XkIv2IKiB7xrKzsp6eQN0LqXoFAWR7461hOSFJQF6H9xOBKo0lkMTeFqQvk9b58Nrg XdT0Ue3hQ8aDCN3huLru3OSyXm25JFPm+1qtApb6jA2eovwst5klYl+1ntUmLTwcH6od A6BrSOgAMhcSqP8sPlE/t2UlLtM18ZLf7GrBVlm7WPopykwrbBDQGrkqgH4ENbaDbcbn FegDqgYcuk9NP5tQeHBeZWKn0ij0M3rIuqE3pgmGiBRwvWyA+dHk05543qQ+7mITG7yS gjLrIyS8ntJX4/p7cwHq7LrfY+dHHpuWauA4k8W4wcUepLQD1PYqBTFU6ijha7WihAjU /ttw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532gZgQpIEC3XjTr5MMfs8oYXwLd0mQDkb7L+HStBEGl9KW+xVgj cq/wQZDdiAqvSQNTOqt0QvvSk4dna+UcpG73rvg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxrC95mY9+QO0Jz9q85tU2wrkudJFn92F0w9AR7wzwEzTBs7DeSF745/1bgT/9DKq1x83m48cA7EC/C3xpE/3Y= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:32c:: with SMTP id b12mr29914268ljp.326.1594107317149; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 00:35:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:35:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Nikita Popov Cc: PHP Internals List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f624805a9d50815" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property write visibility From: andre.romcke@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFLDuG1ja2U=?=) --0000000000005f624805a9d50815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > ergonomic, and in the case of magic method usage improve performance. >> > > I think this is a good direction to explore, but would recommend delaying > it until PHP 8.1. As the RFC and discussion note, the design space here > overlaps significantly with both readonly/immutability and property > accessors. We should take enough time to consider these > alternatives/extensions as well, to ensure that we don't end up with > multiple distinct and possibly incompatible mechanisms. We don't have that > time before PHP 8.0 feature freeze. > I've updated the RFC to rather aim for 8.1, I fully agree this should in any form be made asure to align well with the related requests. Larrye's email is a good example of what kind the language might look like when several such features are potentially accepted in the future. May I propose that some of us interested in this do a short call over the summer on this topic to see if we can align on direction? --0000000000005f624805a9d50815--