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charset=us-ascii > Am 18.06.2020 um 20:24 schrieb Lynn : >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:38 PM Bob Weinand > wrote: > P.s. And to be honest, I've never heard from a dark-skinned person = that they felt actually oppressed by words like blacklist. >=20 > And here my personal opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt: This = whole white- and blacklist discussion is mostly "hey I want to make = black people feel more welcome, let me call blacklist bad and condemn = everyone not agreeing. Then I have done my good deed" - without having = any actual impact on the well-being of dark-skinned people. - That's = what it feels like for me, but I'm open to being corrected by those who = are actually dark-skinned and impacted by it, in which case I'll = immediately retract my last sentence. >=20 > Hi Bob, >=20 > Nobody is talking about oppression when it comes to certain = "technical" terms. Please look my post from earlier and look at the = tweets I link: https://externals.io/message/110515#110574 = >=20 > I can recommend everyone to expand their bubble, as a lot of replies = in here show that the bubbles are homogeneous. >=20 > Regards, > Lynn Hey, yes, you are making quite the same point than I did. Maybe I misused the = word _oppression_ here. But in any case, I fully agree with you. Bob= --Apple-Mail=_3EC2EDB9-90C9-4627-A622-2081F0E17192--